SkyWest: Training Delays?
02-16-2023 | 12:10 PM
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No, the issue is how they generate enough SIC hours to get enough FOs the SIC hours required to upgrade, when they are losing CAs with less than 1000 hrs of 121 TPIC and FOs with no 121 TPIC at all. YOU CANNOT GENERATE A SINGLE HOUR OF 121 SIC time without a CA in the left seat for that hour. And it may not be a problem that they CAN solve.
You do realize you have the ability to block my postings so you won’t even see them? It’s in fact easier than commenting on my posting.
02-17-2023 | 08:22 AM
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No, the issue is how they generate enough SIC hours to get enough FOs the SIC hours required to upgrade, when they are losing CAs with less than 1000 hrs of 121 TPIC and FOs with no 121 TPIC at all. YOU CANNOT GENERATE A SINGLE HOUR OF 121 SIC time without a CA in the left seat for that hour. And it may not be a problem that they CAN solve.
02-17-2023 | 10:09 AM
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I don't mean any disrespect, but I'm not a fan of your attitude of thinking you know everything better than everyone. There is always a solution to any problem. You may not be the person to think of it, but I'm sure there will be solutions to this issue whether that be through the introduction of contracts, laws, or other agreements, or by any other means. In the mean time, we can all strive to be patient and work on improving our skills in different forms.
02-17-2023 | 04:17 PM
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H€||, I’m unlikely to even know.
02-17-2023 | 04:38 PM
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Currently how far out are the class dates?
And Commutair:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/c...ml#post3591009
and Endeavor:
Training Schedule
And Envoy:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/endeavor-air/140385-training-schedule-6.html
and GoJet:
Timeline from application to Hire
Or, as you note, Mesa.
but if you have 1000 hrs of 121 SEC and want to be a DEC, they’ll fall all over themselves to hire you.
02-17-2023 | 04:42 PM
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The only thing saving any if these airlines is that it’s a problem common to all.
Indeed. Republic is delaying classes for the same reason:
Currently how far out are the class dates?
And Commutair:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/c...ml#post3591009
and Endeavor:
Training Schedule
And Envoy:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/endeavor-air/140385-training-schedule-6.html
and GoJet:
Timeline from application to Hire
Or, as you note, Mesa.
but if you have 1000 hrs of 121 SEC and want to be a DEC, they’ll fall all over themselves to hire you.
Currently how far out are the class dates?
And Commutair:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/c...ml#post3591009
and Endeavor:
Training Schedule
And Envoy:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/endeavor-air/140385-training-schedule-6.html
and GoJet:
Timeline from application to Hire
Or, as you note, Mesa.
but if you have 1000 hrs of 121 SEC and want to be a DEC, they’ll fall all over themselves to hire you.
02-17-2023 | 05:36 PM
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yep:
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And even though they are just sitting there, somebody is paying parking, maintenance, and insurance on every one of them and lease payments or loans/bonds on many. As well as for sims, gates, and other costs centers that are not being gainfully employed.
And that costs big money.
And the effect is:
After severing its contract in December, Mesa will cease operating on behalf of American on 3 April 2023. It will operate its current schedule with American through 28 February, then reduce flights by half.
Ornstein has previously disclosed that Mesa was losing $5 million monthly while operating for American, which penalises Mesa for not flying enough block hours. American was also poaching Mesa’s pilots to the tune of “50 to 60 pilots a month”, he added.
During the last three months of 2022, the regional’s completion factor was just under for 98% for American and over 99% for United. “We really want to do a good job right to the last day with American,” Ornstein says.
Mesa finalised a five-year capacity purchase agreement with United on 27 December, through which United has agreed to take up to 38 Bombardier CRJ900 jets from Mesa. United is covering the cost of reconfiguring and rebranding the jets.
Ornstein has previously disclosed that Mesa was losing $5 million monthly while operating for American, which penalises Mesa for not flying enough block hours. American was also poaching Mesa’s pilots to the tune of “50 to 60 pilots a month”, he added.
During the last three months of 2022, the regional’s completion factor was just under for 98% for American and over 99% for United. “We really want to do a good job right to the last day with American,” Ornstein says.
Mesa finalised a five-year capacity purchase agreement with United on 27 December, through which United has agreed to take up to 38 Bombardier CRJ900 jets from Mesa. United is covering the cost of reconfiguring and rebranding the jets.
02-17-2023 | 06:08 PM
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I don't mean any disrespect, but I'm not a fan of your attitude of thinking you know everything better than everyone. There is always a solution to any problem. You may not be the person to think of it, but I'm sure there will be solutions to this issue whether that be through the introduction of contracts, laws, or other agreements, or by any other means. In the mean time, we can all strive to be patient and work on improving our skills in different forms.
Just reshape the entire pilot qualification process for the airline process. It’s that easy! The movement started here.
02-18-2023 | 07:00 AM
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What’s the argument against merging the WO pilots into mainline? I’m sure it has something to do with merging seniority numbers but a few MECs have endorsed the idea and it seems to me like that would fix some of the attrition.
02-18-2023 | 08:40 AM
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That would require the buy-in of the APA guys who would exact a price for it, most likely the ability to flow back down so any furloughs occurring anywhere in AAG would all come from the WOs, but it would also largely lose AAs ability to hire military and pilots from other regionals and ULCCs, both of which AA is reluctant to give up. And that would eventually add about three or four years longevity to EVERYONEs pay for the 1-12 year pay, which would be enormously expensive for AAG. It ain’t impossible, but it’s unlikely.
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