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Old 08-05-2015, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck View Post
Obviously it's attractive to a new hire. Which is why it's wrong. The company is giving money that should be going to everyone to people that aren't even here. The fact that they wanted to increase it so bad was our leverage to get a better deal. You may be thrilled about 30 bucks an hour now, but a few years down the line you're going to realize your future was mortgaged for Esau's bowl of soup!
Obviously I believe everyone deserved a raise, but c'mon. First year pay needed to be fixed. I didn't think this agreement gave the rest of the pilot group enough but I'm happy that first year pay came up. It's ridiculous that people with bachelors degrees and years of job experience as CFIs had to work for $19-22/hour in the recent past. I'm glad that's over at Skywest.

I hated the people who said "I paid my dues so you should have to" when I was in training. Now that I've been at the regionals for a while and have paid my dues I still hate people who tell others below me that they should be paying their dues. I'll never say it to another pilot. Lets fix this profession.
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Old 08-06-2015, 12:54 AM
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Good news on the vote. Does anyone have a complete list of the 175 routes as of now, and what are these rumors of more 175 flying?









So sad...
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Old 08-06-2015, 03:51 AM
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New and improved "Moderated" SAPA forums shut down again
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Old 08-06-2015, 05:03 AM
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I'll say it again, but pilots will never be happy. You could give each person 1 million and someone would ***** and say they deserved 1.2. This deal is better then 2/3 of the other regionals. Most other regionals are giving up planes, routes, and even days off. That didnt happen here. Pay went up, while admittedly not enough to keep up with inflation, but show me the last few airlines where it does! It's not great, it's good though and it could have been a hell of a lot worse.

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Old 08-06-2015, 05:08 AM
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Interesting that not one SAPA rep or financial wizard can tell us what the PPS will pay out or would have paid out. Smoke and mirrors by design?
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Old 08-06-2015, 06:07 AM
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Interesting that not one SAPA rep or financial wizard can tell us what the PPS will pay out or would have paid out. Smoke and mirrors by design?
Well, so far this year, SkyWest Airlines has posted $78.5M in profit. If Inc wants to buy stock with that money, that's fine, but it shouldn't be excluded from the airlines' profit because its Inc's expenditure. Anyways, 6% of that would be $4,710,000 to be split up amongst roughly 3,500 pilots in weighted shares blah blah blah. Average bonus would be $1,345.
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Old 08-06-2015, 06:12 AM
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I thought someone on the SAPA forums had figured a bonus of around $1300for FOs and $1800 for CAs if you credited 500 hours in the first two quarters?? Maybe that was just based on the guaranteed minimum?
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:26 AM
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I can't wait to see AWAC's new TA... An airline with an already better contract and a future not nearly as promising as ours.
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:40 AM
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Interesting that not one SAPA rep or financial wizard can tell us what the PPS will pay out or would have paid out. Smoke and mirrors by design?
"As far as we know, vacation and user hours count for PPS"

Really? "As far as we know"? Nobody thought to resolve that during negotiations??? SAPA is engaging the company to work out the specifics... Really??? AFTER the vote??? I can save SAPA the trouble of asking because I can pretty much tell them what the company is going to say...
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Inthegoo View Post
New and improved "Moderated" SAPA forums shut down again
Works for me now. They may have had to shut it down to clean up Jason's thread-title rant. I don't hold that against SAPA. I agree with Jason on a lot of stuff, but not his bedside manner.
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