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Old 12-23-2015 | 08:13 AM
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You know this PBS rally is picking up steam with senior guys who personally know the big wigs. They used to be mostly apathetic to the plight of those on the bottom 2/3rds. Now 117 has been timing out pilots (along with company picking up more work) that even they are being affected.
a few casual calls from them goes further than what the collective voice of all those hired in the last four years. (Half the seniority list)
Exhibit A: the water bottle issue.
Old 12-23-2015 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
You know this PBS rally is picking up steam with senior guys who personally know the big wigs. They used to be mostly apathetic to the plight of those on the bottom 2/3rds. Now 117 has been timing out pilots (along with company picking up more work) that even they are being affected.
a few casual calls from them goes further than what the collective voice of all those hired in the last four years. (Half the seniority list)
Exhibit A: the water bottle issue.
Flew with one of the two West Coast CPs last night (MH) and brought up the PBS issue. He said it was the first he'd heard of it :-0

Nobody's listening in management, or if they are listening, they don't care.
Old 12-23-2015 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
Flew with one of the two West Coast CPs last night (MH) and brought up the PBS issue. He said it was the first he'd heard of it :-0

Nobody's listening in management, or if they are listening, they don't care.

CP have very little knowledge about PBS. They don't bid... They are the last person you should ask PBS questions...
Old 12-23-2015 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
Flew with one of the two West Coast CPs last night (MH) and brought up the PBS issue. He said it was the first he'd heard of it :-0

Nobody's listening in management, or if they are listening, they don't care.
Doesn't surprise me. SAPA doesn't monitor the forums because there is "too much negativity" and it's not an official channel for information. They ask you to file PIC's for anything then close them because no policy was broken.

A couple years ago, probably right before 117 when we could actually drop stuff in Sked + and we had some reserves, I tried to drop a trip or some legs right at 8:00 on the 24th. Showed reserve levels were high enough (I know remember those days??) but it was still denied. Called CS and they told me as many excuses as it took to get me off the phone. Filled out a PIC because I actually took the time to email SAPA (back when I was naïve enough to think they could help me) and that is what my SAPA rep said I should do. It was closed without even a phone call back to me. When I checked the status online, it said something like CS followed the policy so I shouldn't have filed a PIC.

My point is that so many of us are sick of the run around and don't even bother anymore. Even if MH had heard about this, he wouldn't care to fix it. SAPA tells pilots to email SL and MT, but they are supposed to be our representatives. They should be able to tell MT and SL here is what the pilots are concerned with. Years ago I sent a letter to all of the BOD and SL was the only one to take the time to reply. He is a good guy, but nobody cares to fix the issues.

There were no problems with my bid for January because I have learned to bid defensively. If I need time off, I bid for locals or standups that I have no intention of flying, because I am sick of burning 20 hours to call in for a 4 day trip over days I need off. Now I can just call in for a min credit local and only burn 4 hours of user time. I have been beating this drum for years now, but if the company doesn't want to work with the pilots on solutions, it will cost them more in the long run.
Old 12-23-2015 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
CP have very little knowledge about PBS. They don't bid... They are the last person you should ask PBS questions...
I wasn't asking questions, I was pointing out that the vast majority of the pilot group is seriously P****d off about how PBS continues to remove awarded trips and replace them in the name of globalization...
Old 12-23-2015 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RedBeardedPilot
Don't have to be an ass. I was curious about it because I thought there was no per diem during training and I was recently told differently. I didn't say I was happy, I thanked him for the clarification. I would love to have per diem but I'm not going to ***** and moan because I don't. I'm happy to be getting a paycheck, hotel provided during training, and a job. Could it be better? well **** of course it could be. But it is what it is. It's a hell of a lot better than 10 years ago and we just got to keep trying to make it better. Not going to happen over night.

All you do is *****, you are no longer apart of skywest and happy to have left, so just leave already.
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Old 12-23-2015 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by disillusioned
Doesn't surprise me. SAPA doesn't monitor the forums because there is "too much negativity" and it's not an official channel for information. They ask you to file PIC's for anything then close them because no policy was broken.

A couple years ago, probably right before 117 when we could actually drop stuff in Sked + and we had some reserves, I tried to drop a trip or some legs right at 8:00 on the 24th. Showed reserve levels were high enough (I know remember those days??) but it was still denied. Called CS and they told me as many excuses as it took to get me off the phone. Filled out a PIC because I actually took the time to email SAPA (back when I was naïve enough to think they could help me) and that is what my SAPA rep said I should do. It was closed without even a phone call back to me. When I checked the status online, it said something like CS followed the policy so I shouldn't have filed a PIC.

My point is that so many of us are sick of the run around and don't even bother anymore. Even if MH had heard about this, he wouldn't care to fix it. SAPA tells pilots to email SL and MT, but they are supposed to be our representatives. They should be able to tell MT and SL here is what the pilots are concerned with. Years ago I sent a letter to all of the BOD and SL was the only one to take the time to reply. He is a good guy, but nobody cares to fix the issues.

There were no problems with my bid for January because I have learned to bid defensively. If I need time off, I bid for locals or standups that I have no intention of flying, because I am sick of burning 20 hours to call in for a 4 day trip over days I need off. Now I can just call in for a min credit local and only burn 4 hours of user time. I have been beating this drum for years now, but if the company doesn't want to work with the pilots on solutions, it will cost them more in the long run.
hard to break policies that do not exist (and that do not exist specifically for this reason!).
Old 12-23-2015 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
And looking at those scales you'll notice it's cheaper for mainline to outsource to cheaper crews. Beyond the hourly rate there's economies of scale from operating more than a few crjs for crew costs, maintenance costs etc. as well as diversification of risk by outsourcing.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but there will always be regionals in one form or another. If mainline can get their pilots to agree you will see 100 seaters at the regionals. The only way regionals will disappear is if staffing gets bad, so far SkyWest is staffing classes 80-100 people a month, where's the shortage? Surprisingly most new hires aren't not just making lateral moves but are military and CFIs.

On the up side the more planes mainline effectively take back the better the chance of moving on. There will never be a shortage at mainline.
Yes the rates are cheaper outsourced, but the UA pilots will not allow 100 seaters at regionals. Talked to too many of them to realize that. The only question UAL has to decide now is whether it will be EMB190s or CRJ1000s. Probably the 190s. That's why UA wants 15000 pilots on property ASAP.
Regionals won't go away but will shrink noticeably in a few years and management already knows that. UA and DL want the reliability back and they won't get it with struggling regionals. They are taking it back slowly but surely. ORD to MSN used to be a Skywest flight but now has 737s doing the 30 minute flight. Regionals are just hiring now to keep the wheel spinning in the meantime.....
Old 12-23-2015 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Flip69
Yes the rates are cheaper outsourced, but the UA pilots will not allow 100 seaters at regionals. Talked to too many of them to realize that. The only question UAL has to decide now is whether it will be EMB190s or CRJ1000s. Probably the 190s. That's why UA wants 15000 pilots on property ASAP.
Regionals won't go away but will shrink noticeably in a few years and management already knows that. UA and DL want the reliability back and they won't get it with struggling regionals. They are taking it back slowly but surely. ORD to MSN used to be a Skywest flight but now has 737s doing the 30 minute flight. Regionals are just hiring now to keep the wheel spinning in the meantime.....
I'm sure the same was said of 76 seaters, the saving grace this time may be that the senior pilots are getting younger and can't their votes can be bought for their last golden years, since they have more years left than previous generations
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Anyone else ELOHEL'ing at the e190 thread on sapa forums??
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