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Old 02-01-2016, 02:20 PM
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When involuntarily working on a scheduled day off due to weather, flight cancellations, etc..., what is the pay policy for that day?
Straight time? Time and a half? Min daily guarantee? An additional day off later in the month? Thanks
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Old 02-01-2016, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fcrx View Post
When involuntarily working on a scheduled day off due to weather, flight cancellations, etc..., what is the pay policy for that day?
Straight time? Time and a half? Min daily guarantee? An additional day off later in the month? Thanks
Jr man of legs flown on off day or min daily (4:12), whatever is greater.
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Old 02-01-2016, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by skiK2 View Post
One positive thing about the new reserve rules and 117, this is a very rare occasion. If there's no 9-9 reserves you may get a call, but if there is, normally, 4-4's don't get called past 10, let alone 3:58 for a 5:58 pm show.

Your turn must have been quite short and there weren't any 9-9 reserves.
Nope, it was IAH-MEX and I got done at 9 pm. Missed the 9:05 pm United mainline flight home...
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Old 02-01-2016, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina View Post
Nope, it was IAH-MEX and I got done at 9 pm. Missed the 9:05 pm United mainline flight home...
You should've refused the assignment. That's a 17 hour day from 4am rap. Past the 16 hour 117 maximum.


Unless this was pre117
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Old 02-01-2016, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Read the new rules carefully.

After 1900 on your last reserve day, you don't have to answer phone. If they attempt to notify of flying for your next reserve block, you just have to call them or self-notify within 24 hours.

After 1900, it's essentially "auto early release", they are not planning on using you, they just want to be able to notify of future flying (like an early show for a PM reserve).

Where is this policy located? I just heard about it a few days ago and would like to read up on it.
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Old 02-01-2016, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackwing View Post
Where is this policy located? I just heard about it a few days ago and would like to read up on it.
Policy manual page 3018.3 item E.8:
On a day of reserve preceding a day off, a reserve pilot may volunteer to
defer a notification attempt within the following guidelines:
a) When a pilot’s Reserve Availability Period (RAP) ends on or after
19:00 domicile time, the pilot may volunteer to defer notification for
the last two hours of the RAP.
b) When a pilot is on a long call RAP, the pilot may volunteer to defer
notification for the last twelve hours of the RAP.
c) When a pilot volunteers to defer notification, the pilot must
acknowledge all changes to their schedule that occurred during the
volunteer period of the RAP by noon the following day.
d) A pilot in a volunteer period will not be required to accept an
assignment for that same day.
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Old 02-01-2016, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal View Post
You should've refused the assignment. That's a 17 hour day from 4am rap. Past the 16 hour 117 maximum.


Unless this was pre117
Reserves can now use the 2 hour extension. That makes the max 18 hours, and it shouldn't be allowed but the FAA said it was good.
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Old 02-01-2016, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal View Post
You should've refused the assignment. That's a 17 hour day from 4am rap. Past the 16 hour 117 maximum.


Unless this was pre117
I believe that with the 18 hr extension, it was legal. This was in January of last year, so after 117, but alas this idiotic 18 hour rule made it legal (I think)...
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Old 02-01-2016, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina View Post
I believe that with the 18 hr extension, it was legal. This was in January of last year, so after 117, but alas this idiotic 18 hour rule made it legal (I think)...
For the benefit of new folks coming on the line, here is my take in that situation. Answer the phone, evaluate, and refuse it. That's an easy fatigue refusal right there. You were primed and ready at 4AM... fit to fly 18 hrs later? Not me.
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Old 02-02-2016, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina View Post
I believe that with the 18 hr extension, it was legal. This was in January of last year, so after 117, but alas this idiotic 18 hour rule made it legal (I think)...
They can't schedule you past 16 hours from rap. Period.

Only way to get an extension is with unscheduled mx, wx or other delays. What they did was illegal. Period.
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