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Old 12-03-2014 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
You don't have to go ALPA. Hell, I've been saying to just certify SAPA as your nmb recognized collective bargaining agent. Just doing that alone without changing ANYTHING else will improve the hand you have dealt your SAPA reps.
This has been discussed ad naseum. The conventional wisdom is that no regional (even big ones) have enough financial resources to support the types of benefits/activities that one expects of an airline union. Supposedly the economy of scale allows national to provide some things like insurance and high-end legal/negotiating assistance.

Also like I said I'd like to see progress towards national unity, although that may well be impossible at the regional level...it would be helpful if we were all one union or maybe two that could join forces.

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But let me just add, ALPa is simply an association of independent unions. Each airline is represented by pilots from their ranks. They are the only ones who are able to make decisions on the business dealings with management. No one else at national has the authority to do ANYTHING about what the individual MEC does. And neither can any other MEC, mainline or regional, has a say in what other MECs do. It's no different than how the Coalition of Airline Pilots Association works. The elected leaders of CAPA cannot tell FAPA or RAH IBT what to do. And neither can the APA tell SWAPA what to do. The conflict of interest is a HUGE misconception!
National probably needs a little more authority...but I certainly recall national refusing to sign a contract with JO a few years back.

But at the major level the pilots don't compete directly for flying, and the company isn't going to liquidate itself out of spite if the pilots get a good contract. There's a lot more potential for coordination and teamwork at the major level. With regionals, it's just wack-a-mole, and people are learning not to stick their heads up.
Old 12-03-2014 | 12:04 PM
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"With regionals, it's just wack-a-mole, and people are learning not to stick their heads up."

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Old 12-03-2014 | 03:02 PM
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I wouldn't say ALPA does nothing for the regional carriers. For example - they do a great job of keeping bad pilots in the air. You can do all three of these things and keep your job.

1. Land at the wrong airport
2. Refuse to deice and take off with heavy frost / snow accumulation.
3. Do a quick turn with one engine running.

This was all one person mind you. So yes when it comes to certificate action - ALPA knows what they're doing at the regionals.
Old 12-03-2014 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CJC1024
I wouldn't say ALPA does nothing for the regional carriers. For example - they do a great job of keeping bad pilots in the air. You can do all three of these things and keep your job.

1. Land at the wrong airport
2. Refuse to deice and take off with heavy frost / snow accumulation.
3. Do a quick turn with one engine running.

This was all one person mind you. So yes when it comes to certificate action - ALPA knows what they're doing at the regionals.
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Old 12-03-2014 | 04:19 PM
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I've got job offers (Class Dates) with both SkyWest and Compass. I'd love to hear which one you all think is better and why. Thanks, I need to decide soon. I'm MSP based, and of course I'd like to live in base.

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Old 12-03-2014 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cal555
I've got job offers (Class Dates) with both SkyWest and Compass. I'd love to hear which one you all think is better and why. Thanks, I need to decide soon.
I would go to Compass in heartbeat over SkyWest. SkyWest is a good company to work for, but the upgrade takes forever and the junior bases are out east.
Old 12-03-2014 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cal555
I've got job offers (Class Dates) with both SkyWest and Compass. I'd love to hear which one you all think is better and why. Thanks, I need to decide soon. I'm MSP based, and of course I'd like to live in base.
Congrats on both. The answer to this is in what's most important to you. If msp based is most important, go with SkyWest. If you're chasing an upgrade go with compass. You can get msp based there as well but you'll wait a bit longer for it. I can't speak for compass but I do know msp has expanded like crazy here since I've been at skywest. As for the long upgrade I don't think it will take 7 years here like people say.

I had the same decision to make as you. I elected not to chase the upgrade carrot and work for a company I knew I would be happy with until the major job opportunity comes. At first I was biting my lip a little over my decision, but now that I've been on property a few months and have settled into my base I am not even thinking twice about it. Absolutely no regrets and I'm happy, overall.

If you'd like any more of my (slightly biased I'll admit) input feel free to send me a pm.
Old 12-03-2014 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by moflyer
I would go to Compass in heartbeat over SkyWest. SkyWest is a good company to work for, but the upgrade takes forever and the junior bases are out east.
Go to Compass... Easy choice!
Old 12-03-2014 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cal555
I've got job offers (Class Dates) with both SkyWest and Compass. I'd love to hear which one you all think is better and why. Thanks, I need to decide soon. I'm MSP based, and of course I'd like to live in base.

I'm very senior SkyWest. I won't go into detail.

Go to Compass.
Old 12-03-2014 | 06:26 PM
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Msp? Skw.
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