Some of us choose to look at the glass as half full. Attitudes are contagious...nothing worse than someone who consistently spews negativity.
CC i agree, most of the guys I've flown with as well don't have a sour attitude and are a pleasure to fly with.

 

I agree.

It was brought up earlier in the thread by somebody but part of what makes skywest great is the family atmosphere. everyone gets treated well (somewhat).

The problem is that if they give us pilots more, other positions will want more as well. If we were unionized, the company could just point the blame and say they have no choice but to give us more because of the union. Thus we get more.


That all being said, I just wish the PPM was an enforcible contract complete with a glossary and less loopholes. Specifically the "company need".

define what is and isn't company need. right now company need is anything cs wants no matter what else is going on in the world.

 

I don't understand your math... I've been here just over 3.5 years, and am 300 away from an upgrade per the award today. That is going off straight seniority, which is WAY worst case. Of those 300, many of them aren't willing to bid first available (or even want to be CAs period).

I don't know how long upgrades will take, but I can't imagine it will be more than 1-2 years (for you and I). I think you'll be fine.

 

So why were the sfo guys put on reserve? I'm sure they can park them so that no one is required to sit reserve like the SFO guys. I just mentioned that example to make a point.



And the family atmosphere doesn't have to change. Look, they will not give you anything. Just like they don't give you anything right now. They only give you as much as they feel they need to. With a union, their perception changes. But it will still be up to you guys to work with management in using that extra leverage to get something that both sides can agree with.

As for the PPM, until there is a contract, whatever has been documented as current practice in regards to "company need" and loopholes, will be status quo and that will be enforceable.

 

Im at 3.5 years almost to the day (May 2011), Im around 390 from the reward today. Remember 2011 we were hiring 60 a class and sometimes running more than a class a month so a month or two makes a big difference during that hiring period.

 

Ok, that makes sense. I was hired a little before you. Still, I think we're both looking at 1-2 years.

 

I hope you're right but the Bro going away and the ebb and flow of how much airlines like the 50 (based on gas prices) makes upgrade a moving target. Hopefully half the rumors around here come true haha

 

Did you come from another airline? If not, three and a half years is nothing. Even if wrxpilot is off by a year, he's not, you'll be a captain before you start your seventh year. Consider yourself lucky.

Upgrades are at seven and a half years now. And dropping.





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There was a pretty good stall in hiring between 2007 - 2010. Seniority numbers around 2230 are 2010 hires. Most junior CA awarded today was 2037 or thereabout. Getting closer.

 

There are about 100 Brasilia captains that will need to transition to one of the jets over the next 6 months. That's going to slow down the upgrades a little bit.

Attrition wise we've had about 15 captains a month leave. One could presume that number will increase.

400 First Officers currently have the seniority to hold captain in MSP or ORD. They've chose not to bid it, with only a small percentage of them having a standing bid in for west coast domiciles they don't have the seniority for yet. I have been flying with a lot of guys out of SLC that could have held MSP/ORD a while ago that are thinking about bidding it next year. They've been putting off the commute until they would have some seniority out there.

All we need to do is announce a Detroit or NYC domicile and 2010 guys will start upgrading. New domiciles always go real junior, especially in undesirable places. (and no, there aren't any rumors of domiciles out of either of those places)