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12-11-2014 | 12:57 PM
#8151
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12-11-2014 | 01:00 PM
#8152
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It all seems pretty silly to me. I currently work for a 135 operator with CASS and ride in the back of DL flights every week. Why can't they just list you for the JS through CASS and put you in the back if there's a seat open? As soon as they put in OO to look for you in CASS does it just flash a huge frowny face on the screen??
The problem is that DAL needs a PPR number for SkyWest pilots. If you don't pay the fine, I mean fee, you can not get a PPR number. The 175 guys can't get one regardless. Everything that has been said here is correct and it really is an IT issue with DAL.
I feel this should start out as a letter to individual Delta pilots using their jump privileges and if there is no fix in sight then denial. I participated in the pressure on United years ago and it was successful. I don't think this is an issue where DALPA doesn't care but it's not real high on their priority list and they have bigger fish to fry with DAL. Right up until guys start missing their commute.
And, if I have an FO that cannot tolerate my decision of who gets to use the jumpseat, please find and use the main cabin door.
12-11-2014 | 01:03 PM
#8153
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From: Shorts CA
The problem is that DAL needs a PPR number for SkyWest pilots. If you don't pay the fine, I mean fee, you can not get a PPR number. The 175 guys can't get one regardless. Everything that has been said here is correct and it really is an IT issue with DAL.
I feel this should start out as a letter to individual Delta pilots using their jump privileges and if there is no fix in sight then denial. I participated in the pressure on United years ago and it was successful. I don't think this is an issue where DALPA doesn't care but it's not real high on their priority list and they have bigger fish to fry with DAL. Right up until guys start missing their commute.
And, if I have an FO that cannot tolerate my decision of who gets to use the jumpseat, please find and use the main cabin door.
I feel this should start out as a letter to individual Delta pilots using their jump privileges and if there is no fix in sight then denial. I participated in the pressure on United years ago and it was successful. I don't think this is an issue where DALPA doesn't care but it's not real high on their priority list and they have bigger fish to fry with DAL. Right up until guys start missing their commute.
And, if I have an FO that cannot tolerate my decision of who gets to use the jumpseat, please find and use the main cabin door.
A PPR number to jumpseat? Strange. Oh well. It's just crazy that a Skywest 175 guy can't ride on DAL but a Shorts 360 driver with no airline affiliation can.
12-11-2014 | 01:08 PM
#8154
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The problem is that DAL needs a PPR number for SkyWest pilots. If you don't pay the fine, I mean fee, you can not get a PPR number. The 175 guys can't get one regardless. Everything that has been said here is correct and it really is an IT issue with DAL.
I feel this should start out as a letter to individual Delta pilots using their jump privileges and if there is no fix in sight then denial. I participated in the pressure on United years ago and it was successful. I don't think this is an issue where DALPA doesn't care but it's not real high on their priority list and they have bigger fish to fry with DAL. Right up until guys start missing their commute.
And, if I have an FO that cannot tolerate my decision of who gets to use the jumpseat, please find and use the main cabin door.
I feel this should start out as a letter to individual Delta pilots using their jump privileges and if there is no fix in sight then denial. I participated in the pressure on United years ago and it was successful. I don't think this is an issue where DALPA doesn't care but it's not real high on their priority list and they have bigger fish to fry with DAL. Right up until guys start missing their commute.
And, if I have an FO that cannot tolerate my decision of who gets to use the jumpseat, please find and use the main cabin door.
I'm not a commuter, but have been before and most likely will end up one again someday. If there are any E-jet guys trying to get on a flight that I'm working, I'll make sure the boss lets the gate agent know what's up. If the agents have a work around, then we'll go when the work around gets done. If not, we'll go late. THAT will get Delta to fix it faster than getting DALPA involved via a threat of a jumpseat ban.
12-11-2014 | 01:12 PM
#8155
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So what did you do about it?? Did you spend 5 minutes and shoot an email to the DALPA jumpseat coordinator? If that Captain knew you were trying to get on and you informed him there was a way for the agent to make it work, he should have gotten you on. You can OK whatever you want with your CP, your solution to the problem WILL NOT work even if your CP is "on board". Not all CP's are smart.
12-11-2014 | 01:20 PM
#8156
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If there are any of you E-jet guys on here that have used the work around with the agent could you give me a step by step on what you have to do? Does it work with all agents as long as they are willing to cooperate?
12-11-2014 | 01:28 PM
#8157
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Again, I am not denying the jumpseat, just my consent to allow the jumpseater access to the cabin, the same deal they are offering me. Its not a threat, if you don't like that, too bad, do what you gotta do, guarantee that the CP's I know will not take walking off of a legal flight lightly. Do you really think I have taken this position without doing the research? You try to sweat the Captain on any flight over a Captains discretion item, you won't need to walk off the flight, SS will be taking you off.
No one said anything about captains discretion when it pertains to flight ops as for the jumpseat and your position you put your FOs in danger of being perceived to agree with you when in fact they completely disagree with you. That alone would put me in an uncomfortable position with you.
Fact is 99.99 of the folks at OO oppose your methods you are in the Minority with your threats. But good luck with that.
12-11-2014 | 01:28 PM
#8158
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From: Prime Leader of Boko Harumph
So what did you do about it?? Did you spend 5 minutes and shoot an email to the DALPA jumpseat coordinator? If that Captain knew you were trying to get on and you informed him there was a way for the agent to make it work, he should have gotten you on. You can OK whatever you want with your CP, your solution to the problem WILL NOT work even if your CP is "on board". Not all CP's are smart.
Via MM and followed all protocols, was told the same "sorry", WhyTF do you think I developed my position? I was told to my face "sorry" by the Captain of the flight. DALPA doesn't care, it doesn't affect them. As long as the jumpseat, riding in the cabin is my discretion, my position is there will be no Captain authorized cabin jumpseating on my plane, they are welcome to buy a pass or anything that doesn't involve Jumpseat Authorization for the cabin. Obviously this is for DALPA pilots eveyone else will have heaven and earth moved to get them on.
12-11-2014 | 01:32 PM
#8160
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From: Prime Leader of Boko Harumph
No one said anything about captains discretion when it pertains to flight ops as for the jumpseat and your position you put your FOs in danger of being perceived to agree with you when in fact they completely disagree with you. That alone would put me in an uncomfortable position with you.
Which is why nothing has changed, when you grow a pair you will understand.
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