Originally Posted by FaceBiter

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So what's the haps with the Surface? Isn't the Surface 2 outdated, especially by the time they hand 'em out?

Originally Posted by viper548

I think he lived in TUS and would swing by the overnight hotel on his way to the airport. That hotel does have a pretty good breakfast.

Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom

SKYW will only issue something that has no value, so if you can buy it at the flea market from a a guy named Guido, SKYW will buy them from him after they are used and obsolete. They will make a PPM addition that all tablets after the initial issue are pilot responsibility. They will then "upgrade" the software so the pilots will have to buy their own latest tablet.

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Where the major airline does the same thing to you if you have to "restart" at another major. You're betting on the major being around forever, like TWA, etc. The days are long gone of counting on the pension to carry you after 20 years, assuming you have that long left when you even get to a major. You are correct though, by keeping the goal "get to a major", you allow the entire industry to walk up and down all over you and hold that as leverage.

The question remains, if your major takes a dump and you are a 777 CA, should you have to start over again at another major at the bottom? Not saying you are owed anything, but if major B just happens to be looking for 777 CAs, you are qualified, have lots of hours, seems like it would make sense you could apply for that (in the normal business world). If the only "need" is for CA on a particular aircraft, maybe you can or can't get it, depending on your experience. May not be a good idea if what you've flown is radically different and there are more qualified candidates, etc.

The interview thing isn't complicated (like AT&T and kids around a table). Same or similar process for initial hiring. Grade it objectively based on points if you like, 5 points for graduate degree, 5 points for every 10K of time, IDK, it could easily be done though. Sitting around and saying it can't possible work when it works just fine for the rest of the world sounds a little ridiculous, not to mention it worked just fine when you hired in. Plenty of sims are capable of objectively "grading" events based on how many altitude deviations, how close you meet tolerances, etc, you know, "pilot stuff". I've used them.

It's amazing the mountains that have been erected by the pilot groups and how they've told themselves over and over they are the greatest mountains ever and now that management has figured out how to manipulate them in every way possible, those pilots are unwilling to abandon them.

Seniority has a purpose, longevity pay in a specific job classification/grade, bidding for work assignments in the same, etc, but nearly every other industry, skilled and unskilled, does not use a seniority system for promotion.

Seriously, you could also make the same "the world is not fair" arguments for any other industry, that you have much more experience, are a better person, dressed better, etc, but HR departments have come a long way, they are pretty efficient and have to be very objective, or face lawsuits and litigation.

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

How would you gauge someone for an upgrade? Um, just what I said before, you open it up to applications, HR reviews them, person gets an interview, goes through a sim, is graded and valued based on many things, a board makes a selection. You think this is impossible? It works for all sorts of skilled labor, like Doctors, etc. I'm not talking about corporate flight departments, I'm talking about the rest of the business world, literally.

Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom

SKYW will only issue something that has no value, so if you can buy it at the flea market from a a guy named Guido, SKYW will buy them from him after they are used and obsolete. They will make a PPM addition that all tablets after the initial issue are pilot responsibility. They will then "upgrade" the software so the pilots will have to buy their own latest tablet.

Originally Posted by Is offline

This is my problem with their surface. They have already said that they were going be the pilots responsibility after they are issued. 50% of pilots have iPads and now they have said that they have no intention of having the iPad approved.

Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom

That's OK, if they are gonna issue the MS turdlet, they are gonna have to catch me with a rope and waterboard me to get me to sign for it. Pretty sure it will get dropped into the toilet a few times. I will then go into the terminal and wait with the toads while they get me a blue juice free MS Turdlet.