My friend is an Oct 17 hire and isn’t even the most junior guy in MSP. He was awarded it out of training. My guess is the dates may look skewed from th cadet hire dates.

Rofl please elaborate on stoploss

That's not right. The bottom 3 MSP guys must be cadets. The guy 4 from the bottom started late January. MSP is definitely available before training is finished.

Rock bottom? Spirit has had some of the best work rules for years. Their pay is now right behind Southwest. Define rock bottom.

If it is really that bad than why not leave? Why not become a part of SAPA and try and change things?

This month is the first month Skywest has shrunk in over 4 years. If something is not done soon to right the ship, we will not be able to staff the new planes that are coming this year.

It depends on what you mean by staffing the airplanes. I think SkyWest could staff all the airplanes they're due this year with the current pilot group; the difference being that ERJ crews will just be flying the same amount as the Eastern CRJ crews. By normal airline standards we are properly staffed on the ERJ side, but as far as OO is concerned we're fat.

Same thing that happened pre 9/11. DAL was hiring too many SKW pilots, so SGU asked them to stop. It slowed to a trickle. I know of one guy whose Dad worked at DAL then... they told him he was in zone for an interview but he would have to quite SKW first. He did, and got hired. But that's pretty ballsy.

You think it can't happen again?

I am working on leaving. Apps and resume going out next week.

I’m very senior.

I’ve been a SAPA rep, been pro pilot group, and yes been threatened about my job status from CC and TG.

I’ve hung my neck out, only to be nearly fired. SkyWest is in a “right to work” state, and can fire for no reason at all, and have many times.

What else do you want from me?

I know of what I write.....

It's a military term for being involuntarily extended. Of course, OO isn't the military, but if they started to flounder and the big three were starting to see their bottom line affected by that, it would not be beyond the realm of possibility for them to put an embargo on hiring people away from OO and work their own flow programs (or off the street from non-OO sources) for new hires rather than hurting their biggest feeder.

A buddy at Horizon swears that when they got into their short staffing and flight curtailment mess last year Alaska stopped taking new hires from Horizon until they started to get better. Don't know, can't say for sure, but there is certainly a theory some believe in that majors won't make things worse for their regional feeds if they get in trouble, and between fewer applicants and longer training with more washouts, a number of regionals are getting pretty tight for manpower. Especially those who pay less well and have cr@ppier QOL.