Originally Posted by elmetal
(Post 2100062)
case in point, VD just told me in a personal message that every single CRJ FO trying to transition in this upcoming bid WILL be bypassed. PERIOD.
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Originally Posted by N1234
(Post 2100307)
The more interesting question is what can we do about it? I am not defending SAPA here but they often seem to have zero leverage. They can make all the proposals they want but if the company says no - it is no.
So we better make sure we use what leverage we have. If they want to open up repo flights for non 121 guys. Maybe it is worth considering if we get something else. I am more worried about SAPA being "too nice" and agreeing to something without getting something meaningful in return. But I don't even know if the pilot group is aligned of what that something else is. I have never worked for any other shop. But it seems to be far from perfect with pretty much any other regional judging from some of the other posts on here. |
In the same breath ppl will complain about crj staffing levels, that they can't drop or flying too many hours. The reality is until those levels are up the company can't afford two ppl in training (new hire and transition). As can be seen by the last DVR they are working on crj levels. I'm not on the koolaid but I can understand the company not wanting to take a performance hit so you can fly a new jet, if they say you're bypassed and they pay you the difference is that such a kill ? Pairings have always gone up and down in value so that's not a excuse
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
(Post 2100363)
In the same breath ppl will complain about crj staffing levels, that they can't drop or flying too many hours. The reality is until those levels are up the company can't afford two ppl in training (new hire and transition). As can be seen by the last DVR they are working on crj levels. I'm not on the koolaid but I can understand the company not wanting to take a performance hit so you can fly a new jet, if they say you're bypassed and they pay you the difference is that such a kill ? Pairings have always gone up and down in value so that's not a excuse
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Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2100440)
It actually is a huge hit in PDX where you could get 80 to 85 hours in 10 or 11 days instead of 18 to 20 days on the 700.
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
(Post 2100363)
In the same breath ppl will complain about crj staffing levels, that they can't drop or flying too many hours. The reality is until those levels are up the company can't afford two ppl in training (new hire and transition). As can be seen by the last DVR they are working on crj levels. I'm not on the koolaid but I can understand the company not wanting to take a performance hit so you can fly a new jet, if they say you're bypassed and they pay you the difference is that such a kill ? Pairings have always gone up and down in value so that's not a excuse
Plus the CRJ folks are getting the double whammy with transitions and upgrades. SW needs the Captains so they won't do the FO transitions. Maybe we should start hiring street CA to reduce training events? What's the difference? I'm sorry but I don't think that management are the victims here. They are the ones that needed to hire more for 117 but didn't want to increase their costs. They are the ones that continually shoot down easy fixes because it may creep into someones fiefdom. They finally realized the cost savings of having appropriate staffing, but it comes at a time where majors are finally hiring, FO's can get better pay and QOL at LCC's, and people who spent any time on reserve are so bitter that they will literally jump at the first opportunity to move on (ie something besides a major) I really hope they figure it out because I want them to be successful. I am just smart enough to realize that past behavior usually indicates future behavior. And past behavior shows that SW will continue to take on as much flying as they can and force that flying on a dwindling CRJ pilot group. |
Originally Posted by elmetal
(Post 2100442)
And it's not just the money. Some people are getting skipped for upgrade. Where they could be building pic.
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Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 2100506)
Skipped over upgrade?? Huuu... The only people that dont get the upgrade that can hold it, choise not to...(talking pure upgrade. Not domicile specific)
If I bid captain Denver, and some guy Jr to me gets Denver captain because he happened to be in the captain seat in Minnie already, it is still a bypass. Or how about pdx guys who try to get out of crj CA to erj CA (even in ORD) and get bypassed? Happens everyday. Open your eyes. |
Originally Posted by elmetal
(Post 2100515)
Any other airline follows the method I outlined.
If I bid captain Denver, and some guy Jr to me gets Denver captain because he happened to be in the captain seat in Minnie already, it is still a bypass. Or how about pdx guys who try to get out of crj CA to erj CA (even in ORD) and get bypassed? Happens everyday. Open your eyes. |
Originally Posted by Cruz5350
(Post 2100523)
There's zero transitions for certain bases and seats but I've yet to hear or see anything about upgrades getting bypassed. You weren't qualified to fill that vacancy in DEN so it went to someone who could fill it right away. The work around is take the first upgrade into whatever base you can and then worry about transferring to another base later. It's not how it should be, but that's the way the company sees it and I doubt it'll ever change. The blame game can't just be pointed at one side or the other it's everyone's fault.
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