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Old 04-23-2017 | 08:52 AM
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It doesn't go in total time - I know that. It can count towards Total Time for the ATP but it is not Total Flight Time. My OP was a little vague:

1) Do we need to enter it in our logs to meet 1500 or does SKW keep the record of it?

2) Do I need a signature?
Old 04-23-2017 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ace66
It doesn't go in total time - I know that. It can count towards Total Time for the ATP but it is not Total Flight Time. My OP was a little vague:

1) Do we need to enter it in our logs to meet 1500 or does SKW keep the record of it?

2) Do I need a signature?
1) §61.51 Pilot logbooks.
(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:

(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.

(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.

(b) Logbook entries. For the purposes of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, each person must enter the following information for each flight or lesson logged:

(1) General—

(i) Date.

(ii) Total flight time or lesson time.

(iii) Location where the aircraft departed and arrived, or for lessons in a flight simulator or flight training device, the location where the lesson occurred.

(iv) Type and identification of aircraft, flight simulator, flight training device, or aviation training device, as appropriate.
.........

Key word there is "each person must document" So not Skywest, but you, and only if you need to count it towards ATP minimums, if you just need the CTP cert to take the written then you don't have to log the CTP sim time

2) no

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Old 04-23-2017 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocksteady
1) §61.51 Pilot logbooks.
(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:

(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.

(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.

(b) Logbook entries. For the purposes of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, each person must enter the following information for each flight or lesson logged:

(1) General—

(i) Date.

(ii) Total flight time or lesson time.

(iii) Location where the aircraft departed and arrived, or for lessons in a flight simulator or flight training device, the location where the lesson occurred.

(iv) Type and identification of aircraft, flight simulator, flight training device, or aviation training device, as appropriate.
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Key word there is "each person must document" So not Skywest, but you, and only if you need to count it towards ATP which you do because CTP is now required training towards ATP so it's required to be logged

2) no
Negative. CTP is a prerequisite of an ATP. You only need show that you completed a CTP. If you meet all the requirements of an ATP there is no requirement to log the CTP training. Logging sim time just muddies my log book. If it's not required, it ain't goin' in there.
Old 04-23-2017 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by word302
Negative. CTP is a prerequisite of an ATP. You only need show that you completed a CTP. If you meet all the requirements of an ATP there is no requirement to log the CTP training. Logging sim time just muddies my log book. If it's not required, it ain't goin' in there.
Yep your right, I corrected it
Old 04-23-2017 | 11:12 AM
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Old 04-23-2017 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Ace66
It doesn't go in total time - I know that. It can count towards Total Time for the ATP but it is not Total Flight Time. My OP was a little vague:

1) Do we need to enter it in our logs to meet 1500 or does SKW keep the record of it?

2) Do I need a signature?
Ya It does go into total time if you're going to log it and NO you don't need a signature
Old 04-23-2017 | 11:43 AM
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Ya It does go into total time if you're going to log it and NO you don't need a signature
I have never heard of Level D sims being added to total time. It goes in the Sim column and that's it. You can use that simulator time to meet up to a certain amount of hours (can't remember off he top of my head) of the total time requirement toward your ATP, but it still is not logged as total time.
Old 04-23-2017 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by WaterRooster
I have never heard of Level D sims being added to total time. It goes in the Sim column and that's it. You can use that simulator time to meet up to a certain amount of hours (can't remember off he top of my head) of the total time requirement toward your ATP, but it still is not logged as total time.
Not more than 100 hours (which is a lot unless someone works for a sim co).
Old 04-23-2017 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hotbreeze
Not more than 100 hours (which is a lot unless someone works for a sim co).
No, the answer is zero.

Sim time, which is logged as Sim time, can be used to reduce the actual flight time required to meet certain aeronautical experience requirements.

That does not mean it IS flight time, and certainly does not mean it gets logged as flight time.
Old 04-23-2017 | 07:30 PM
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