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Old 12-27-2017 | 07:49 AM
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Endeavor honestly doesn't have to make a profit. DL can and will keep them floating as long as they have a need for their existence.
Old 12-27-2017 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyhawk121
Endeavor honestly doesn't have to make a profit. DL can and will keep them floating as long as they have a need for their existence.
They still don't want to blow money at something if they can get the same / similar product in a more cost effective way, i.e. SKYW...

Yes, they are owned by DL but doesn't excuse stupid moves.
Old 12-27-2017 | 08:20 AM
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Not a stupid move if you want a pipeline of pilots on hand for their years of high mandatory retirement. Sometimes it is about the long game. If the pilot shortage wasn't real, no one would be throwing money at it the way they are.
Old 12-27-2017 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Well he has a point. It must be pretty frustrating working for a company when over half of the group is content with subpar gains when the rest of the industry is making significant gains. Not to mention the slow erosion of quality quality of life issues
Most of them just want to live where they like (in the West) and don't care much about the regional industry. They certainly don't care what you or anyone from another airline thinks.

They're not in it to make gains, which is long term impossible in the regional industry.

If you want to make gains, update your apps and move on. The entire point of the regional business model is to PREVENT gains.

Regional pilots arguing about a few bucks here and there is like ho's arguing about relative virginity.
Old 12-27-2017 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by That Aussie Guy
Quick question guys

Does anyone know if my Multi Engine Command Instrument Rating needs to be "Current" coming over from Australia? Or do I just need to have one?

As they are perpetual, I'm wondering if the SIM check at the end of training covers me for recency? or is there a clause somewhere stating my Australian MECIR must be current at the time of the check to be able to convert it to a US one and make it current?

Would save me a few $$$ if I didn't need to do an IPC (its what we strange folk in the land down under call an Instrument Proficiency Check, is it the same there?) before I come over.

Thanks very much!
It’s the same here. If you haven’t been staying current on your own and require an IPC, then yes. You have to do it before training. You must be instrument current when you show up for class.
Old 12-27-2017 | 01:31 PM
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1. ORD is probably your best bet. Some of the guys who wanted to fly a lot also left for BOI. If you go to a west coast base you will double or even triple the amount of time you sit on reserve. I've been here about a year and I can now finally hold a line at a West Coast base. Keep an eye on open time. You may not fly much on reserve unless you select you want to be called first. Look for LGA turns on open time. You can fly these on your days off.

2. I don't know much about either program.

3. The 175 was my (sigh) 4th type rating. I studied in advance and kinda got burned. For example the book tailwind limit of most jets is
10 knots. SkyWest 175s can do 15 but you wont learn that until you get to ground school. So even the limitations are different per the company op specs than what you will find on the that app.

In my opinion your best bet for training is to show up well rested an ready to study a lot. Make flashcards and study beyond just the computer based training. If you apply yourself in training you will be fine. No need to spend ANY money on ANYTHING going forward. You'll need it to sort out a place to live in ORD. Live near the blue line train and life will be pretty easy..
ORD may be more junior but that is only because it has MORE junior people. Right now you will sit reserve and NOT fly in ORD because it is so over staffed. If you sit reserve at another base, you will fly. Most others are nowhere near as well staffed. Once you can hold a line in ORD or BOI or another junior base, make the switch then. This is your best bet to fly. But like I said in another thread, things change with ERJ seniority all the time. A year ago ORD was the most senior base at 7 months wait. The rest were much less. That was when our new planes were doing out west along with the new hire classes.
Old 12-27-2017 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JBirdE175
ORD may be more junior but that is only because it has MORE junior people. Right now you will sit reserve and NOT fly in ORD because it is so over staffed. If you sit reserve at another base, you will fly. Most others are nowhere near as well staffed. Once you can hold a line in ORD or BOI or another junior base, make the switch then. This is your best bet to fly. But like I said in another thread, things change with ERJ seniority all the time. A year ago ORD was the most senior base at 7 months wait. The rest were much less. That was when our new planes were doing out west along with the new hire classes.


Exactly correct. I never flew the entire month of May when I was out there. That is where SKYW is stacking bodies. So that is where you will go.

A few months before that guys were hiring right into SFO. I would of preferred that but, as they say “that’s the way the cookie crumbles.”

The only thing that won’t change is for at least a year or so, everyone’s experience will be different from class to class.


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Old 12-27-2017 | 02:24 PM
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I experienced the same thing. In ORD I NEVER flew. I commuted out there to sit in a bucket of 15 other people. Call first yes vs call first no would never make a difference. I was awarded SEA in Oct and I NEVER fly. But at least I sit reserve in my home and can do the things that make me happy so I am not complaining. The downside is I am not exactly making progress towards my goal of getting out an onto an airline. There is rarely anything in open time that will work with the reserve schedules. Occasionally I will find a MKE turn, not often, 1 days are usually all you can fit into a reserve schedule without breaking some crew rest rule. I finished IOE mid-May and I have flown 260 hrs in the the E-175. In all of Dec I have flown 40 min, but hey I was home for Christmas, on reserve, but home! If your in a hurry to get hours and get out of here, go to the CRJ. Maybe that will change with the new ERJ's on property this year but in SEA the CRJ's are going away and all those pilots are transitioning over to the ERJ on top of me. Not making any seniority progress anytime soon but at least I sleep in a lot. I wonder if I qualify for unemployment or those EBT cards?

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ORD may be more junior but that is only because it has MORE junior people. Right now you will sit reserve and NOT fly in ORD because it is so over staffed. If you sit reserve at another base, you will fly. Most others are nowhere near as well staffed. Once you can hold a line in ORD or BOI or another junior base, make the switch then. This is your best bet to fly. But like I said in another thread, things change with ERJ seniority all the time. A year ago ORD was the most senior base at 7 months wait. The rest were much less. That was when our new planes were doing out west along with the new hire classes.
Old 12-27-2017 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JBirdE175
It’s the same here. If you haven’t been staying current on your own and require an IPC, then yes. You have to do it before training. You must be instrument current when you show up for class.
Before class starts or before sims start?
Old 12-27-2017 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Citation X
Before class starts or before sims start?
You might be too busy to get current once class starts, I doubt they will want to take a chance on that.
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