Except it would seem that everyone here holds the same opinion of you.

 

Merry Christmas everyone! Hope it's a good one.

 

This is not true. There are good reasons to consider representation but this isn't one of them.

For one thing "at will employment" is only boilerplate in company documents to scare employees. There is no such thing in America today. You have to have good reason to terminate someone AND that reason must be consistent with past practice with other employees. The later is typically a very good protection (have you seen DD's late-model porsche?).

SKW has removed two high-profile CP's for pushing the "at-will" boundaries.

Secondly they will only fire you if you're a repeat problem child, or get caught lying. You can make all the honest mistakes you want, just don't lie. I know people who should have been fired and weren't. They could have fired me once or twice, but they didn't. I called the boss, fessed up, and that was the end of it. Not even a carpet dance.

Now they do fire probies for one big strike (ex. sitting SFO reserve at Lake Tahoe, etc). But that's just like anywhere else, union can't help that. Some probies need to get fired, and some millenials need to see that happen to drive the point home that airline scheduling does NOT revolve around their personal life. That phenomenon is not just at SKW, happens at legacies too.

 

Rick,

How long and at what cost did it take DD to get retribution?

The company stood behind the CP that fired him at first.

And I think it's safe to say if all of us had real representation, it's highly likely none of DD's situation would have gone as far as it did.

There is an employee (well, former) right now, that is contesting his termination. His employment was terminated because the "at will" status was used.

I agree with you that "sometimes" the company will go soft on some huge screw ups. If you are a cheerleader, know the special handshake, and wear god given jammies, you can get away with about anything.

But if you are outspoken about management or critical of the company, you will get a target on your back, and there is absolutely nothing from stopping the company from terminating your "at will" employment!

 

And this is exactly why you need a union, whether Alpa, Teamsters, your own, etc. When a big multi-million dollar company goes up against the average regional Joe pilot in court... Joe pilot is going to lose. They will drown you in legal debt. Throw in some high priced attorneys paid by a union's deep pockets and maybe you have a chance. We had a guy at XJT who was terminated 3 times. Union got his job back twice and the third time was the charm.

 

The email just said they have locked me in for a CTP ERJ course on the 16th April and a corresponding Ground start date of 26th April. They haven't mentioned the ATP (or is that included in the CTP course?) its a little confusing. If you or anyone else is able to clarify whats involved in all this it would be great

 

Thank you!

 

You’ll get your ATP when you get the 170/190 type. It all happens at the end of your checkride


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I was not a huge screwup, nor a koolaid drinker or cheerleader. Had some frank discussions with leadership at times. But I was responsible, and proactively addressed a couple of big problems in my time. In other words a good employee (not to be confused with a push-over or yes voter).

Everyone I know of who got fired had it coming (except DD, which got fixed and the company apparently learned their lesson). Do your checklists, fly the plane, don't lie and you'll be fine.

 

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