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12-14-2021 | 07:19 PM

#211

flyguy81

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lewbronski

We tend to hire and keep a lot of those types. Seems to have a correlation with those who believe in garbage like the "squozen balloon" theory. A full 38% of our group voted for TA1 a few years ago - a thing that was even worse than our current industry-lagging contract. I remember some guys would get angry if you tried to explain why a no vote on TA1 was in order. They'd rationalize their yes vote with statements like, "We won't get a better offer," or "I'm perfectly happy here."

Those guys were the ones telling me we'd never get a B-fund and I should quit so that it tells management there's an issue. I always replied, "We won't get a B-fund with that attitude. You want to send a message....you quit first"

12-15-2021 | 06:15 AM

#212

symbian simian

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From: Aircraft & Seat: old & hard

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Originally Posted by flyguy81

Yup, first year will always leave for other grass, seeing 5-10 year people leave is a much stronger signal something is wrong. Voting no is an even better hint.....

12-15-2021 | 09:41 AM

#213

flyguy81

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Originally Posted by symbian simian

Yup, first year will always leave for other grass, seeing 5-10 year people leave is a much stronger signal something is wrong. Voting no is an even better hint.....

I won’t vote no on a TA just to vote no. If it has all the things I want and I feel there’s no more juice left to squeeze…I have no problem voting yes.

12-15-2021 | 09:50 AM

#214

MudhammedCJ

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Originally Posted by flyguy81

I won’t vote no on a TA just to vote no. If it has all the things I want and I feel there’s no more juice left to squeeze…I have no problem voting yes.

Very succinctly sums up the problem we've had with EVERY negotiation ever.👍

12-15-2021 | 10:38 AM

#215

Mozam

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flyguy81

I won’t vote no on a TA just to vote no. If it has all the things I want and I feel there’s no more juice left to squeeze…I have no problem voting yes.

38 percent of this pilot group agree with you and will vote yes for anything.

12-15-2021 | 12:52 PM

#216

hoover

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From: cpt 737

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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450

They aren't published. You gotta do some sleuthing to find them

I thought that's what I was doing?

12-15-2021 | 01:00 PM

#217

Lostboys97

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flyguy81

I won’t vote no on a TA just to vote no. If it has all the things I want and I feel there’s no more juice left to squeeze…I have no problem voting yes.

That's not a good attitude. Considering management is only looking for 51%, there is ALWAYS more juice to squeeze.

12-15-2021 | 04:01 PM

#218

flyguy81

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Originally Posted by Lostboys97

That's not a good attitude. Considering management is only looking for 51%, there is ALWAYS more juice to squeeze.

When Casey and Hank are sitting across from you at a road show and says, “this is as good as it gets…”…I trust their opinion vs some line swine who doesn’t have the data, etc.

I wasn’t here for TA1, but it was a turd and I’m glad it was voted down. Had it passed…I’d prob be at UAL now.

12-15-2021 | 04:07 PM

#219

Profane Kahuna

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ

Very succinctly sums up the problem we've had with EVERY negotiation ever.👍

BINGO!!!!!

12-15-2021 | 05:46 PM

#220

Smooth at FL450

weekends off? Nope...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mozam

38 percent of this pilot group agree with you and will vote yes for anything.

No way. A good number just took early retirement and 1220 just got shown they company's true colors 1 year ago. This "38% will vote yes" line is stale.