1,221 Reasons Not to work for Southwest
01-18-2023, 01:27 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,659
Originally Posted by Captain Jeff
I think anyone that has been around a while recognizes this as a sinking ship. It is just a question of how long it will last. The product is dated, the model is dated, this is an airline that up till a few years ago required you to buy your own type rating. That is just one step up from a "pay for training" company. It relies on the "cult of Herb" mentality to survive. But Herb left 20 years ago and has been dead for 4. This is not Herb's airline. It is not Mesa, but it is on its way. If you are 55 and like the right seat, great. If you are just starting out, think long and hard about flying the worst airliner for the worst airline and waiting for the ship to sink.
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Cramped, loud, and uncomfortable cockpit of the 737 and the up and down domestic grind.
01-18-2023, 01:45 PM
#12
Strike averted!
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: B737
Posts: 3,645
Originally Posted by Captain Jeff
I think anyone that has been around a while recognizes this as a sinking ship. It is just a question of how long it will last. The product is dated, the model is dated, this is an airline that up till a few years ago required you to buy your own type rating. That is just one step up from a "pay for training" company. It relies on the "cult of Herb" mentality to survive. But Herb left 20 years ago and has been dead for 4. This is not Herb's airline. It is not Mesa, but it is on its way. If you are 55 and like the right seat, great. If you are just starting out, think long and hard about flying the worst airliner for the worst airline and waiting for the ship to sink.
Originally Posted by Captain Jeff
If you have a job at all, dont consider airtran. This is a terrible place to work. If you got a class date tomorrow you would be an f/o forever. F/o pay sucks, the company sucks, Atlanta sucks, the lines suck, the hotels suck. Did I miss anything? I have hoped for years someone would come buy this ****ty company. It hasn't happened. I see self help or some type of chaos strike in the future. Dont waste your time with this place.
01-18-2023, 02:01 PM
#13
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Posts: 48
Originally Posted by at6d
Are we really the worst airline? No. I agree the company is dated. It can and should be fixed. We all want it to be better, and not to be a d&ck but I should remind you to be careful what you wish for.
You know what happened to airtran right? It took over Southwest and this is what we got.
01-18-2023, 06:34 PM
#14
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 270
Originally Posted by at6d
Are we really the worst airline? No. I agree the company is dated. It can and should be fixed. We all want it to be better, and not to be a d&ck but I should remind you to be careful what you wish for.
01-19-2023, 11:34 AM
#16
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Joined APC: Apr 2020
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 144
Working a certain length of time or number of legs is still a personal decision unless outside forces intervene. You are done when you say so. Your number of days a month are totally up to the individual. Lots of people have made poor decisions and find themselves paying for it literally. If you choose to "help" you are only hurting yourself. The guys who paid for training will have a different mindset about things. I was acquired, so anything other than coming to work and maximizing what I want was never in the picture. Everyone has their own beat.
01-22-2023, 04:30 PM
#17
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,121
Originally Posted by at6d
Are we really the worst airline? No. I agree the company is dated. It can and should be fixed. We all want it to be better, and not to be a d&ck but I should remind you to be careful what you wish for.
Anywhere but Frontier and American are better than this. 1 yr upgrades at both Delta and United, 7-figure career earnings deficit even for SWA FOs with 6-7 years on the list. And the company keeps doubling down on the stupidity, highlighted by the fact that Carl K is still heading SWA's negotiation team. How much more evidence does anyone need to see how bad of a choice this place is?
01-23-2023, 06:00 AM
#19
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,003
Originally Posted by Lewbronski
I agree with you. And I’ve tried to make the same point. My schedules support what you’re saying. And I’m pretty senior.
However, there are several guys here on APC who, in a nutshell, report not flying more than a nine hour duty day nor more than two legs in a day for months at a stretch.
I wish I knew how they did it. I haven’t been able to pull a schedule like that in years.
However, there are several guys here on APC who, in a nutshell, report not flying more than a nine hour duty day nor more than two legs in a day for months at a stretch.
I wish I knew how they did it. I haven’t been able to pull a schedule like that in years.
I've been on vacay since mid Nov. and don't go back officially til late Feb. I picked up a 2 day with a 19 hour layover later in the month so as to not de-qualify.
Based on my experience during the dumpster fire that this job was/is the last 2+ years, I am guessing it'll be rerouted into a "10" hour layover with lots more duty but very little increase in pay, probably before I leave the house. Maybe even another unscheduled overnight that pays 6.5 at "double" time.
Maybe I'll get lucky, and they'll leave it alone, since it's a straight pay trip. I am not gonna hold my breath though.
Last edited by SlipKid; 01-23-2023 at 06:43 AM.
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