Hahahah yup two hours if your lucky here. No direct line - this stuff doesn’t happen at legacy’s boys

 

Management loves employees like you!

 

Maybe. Maybe not. Did I give an opinion, or ask a question?

 

At least for awhile as they continue to grow they certainly can. As long as you are growing at the rate of 15-17% per year, as was happening preCOVID, half your pilots are in the bottom three years of longevity for pay purposes. At many of the legacies well over half of all the pilots are over 12 years. Take Delta. The junior CAs at MSP and SEA were 2008 hires, and they are soon going to be having 4-5% of their personnel hitting mandatory retirement age. United is similar. AA is even worse. Even if NK had identical pay scales the payroll would STILL be much less because half the FOs would be under four years longevity and half the CAs would be under eight years longevity. As long as you are quickly expanding the pilot group you have a huge advantage over pilot groups that have reached a steady state where most pilots are over 12 year longevity.

 

What's the latest projected growth over there, still the same 15-17% pre Covid? I haven't kept track of Delta's position, but AA will lose half the pilot group in the next 10 years. Lot of out with the old, in with the new going on.

 

Which means that after those 10 years they will end up with half of their pilots - almost all FOs - under 10 years, while their Captains are almost all over 12 years. Scarcely the same as having half your pilots in the bottom three years and a relative handful over12 years at NK. and it’s certainly management’s INTENTION to continue 15% annual growth. They may or may not be able to execute that plan, but that IS the plan. They are touting a 76% increase in aircraft in the next six years already on order and looking for more that may be available in that timeframe.

https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...pirit_airlines

But clearly, that sort of growth can’t be sustained indefinitely.

 

So you're saying that after 10 years of growth, with an intended 15% annual growth, 50% of Spirit's pilot group will be in the bottom three years of the pay scale? You're hitting the Kool-Aid pretty hard. You're not the FO who passed out in the hallway of the wrong hotel after a night of drinking on an overnight are you?

 

oh that was me...it was a fun night.

 

United has hot standby, Spirit does not

Southwest you can be involuntarily JM definitely. Spirit you do not unless you decided to.

Delta has 19 day pairings, Spirit does not

Southwest you have to drop your trip to someone else and not back to the company. Not at Spirit.

oh an American...well just ask Mike.

https://youtu.be/DyjnqTgp9R8

doesn’t seem like they’re asking for more money this time around, looks like they’re asking for QOL.

Am I onto something here?? But yeah I do like money too!

 

Naw, you don’t need koolaid when you can do basic math:

15% x3 years is 45% but since it’s compound interest which goes 1x1.15x1.15x1.15 = 1.521

Yeah, the 50% is a SLIGHT underestimate but for a ballpark, yeah, that’s about half of the group will be in the first three years.

I know, math is hard.

But yes NK certainly can’t grow like that indefinitely- the population of humans on Earth isn’t growing 15% annually.

But preCOVID they were cooking right along at a 15-17% annual growth rate.



They certainly can’t keep that growth rate up forever but as long as they can keep it up the bottom half of the seniority list is ALWAYS going to be three years or under - at least after the 2020 COVID distortion ages out.

And no, I wasn’t the FO who passed out.