United v. Spirit
#441
Hi there. I know you love it here, and so do I. Having said that.
I got unstacked both for xmas and new years, I bid 35% in base (been here over 7 years). Our pay is stil way behind. I work 15 days a month to make as much as a 8 year SWA FO makes in 12 days (and I am a captain). If you get hired today in the next 20 years 30% of the people ahead of you will retire, and because we don't have NB/WB all of them are ahead of you. If you go to TOXIC AA, 75% will retire before you, and those 25% will be on the WB, so you can be the number 1 NB-CA instead of bidding 30% 20 years in.
I got unstacked both for xmas and new years, I bid 35% in base (been here over 7 years). Our pay is stil way behind. I work 15 days a month to make as much as a 8 year SWA FO makes in 12 days (and I am a captain). If you get hired today in the next 20 years 30% of the people ahead of you will retire, and because we don't have NB/WB all of them are ahead of you. If you go to TOXIC AA, 75% will retire before you, and those 25% will be on the WB, so you can be the number 1 NB-CA instead of bidding 30% 20 years in.
All I know is I am beyond happy here. I flew an Airbus for an airline that treated people like Mesa prior 🤷🏻♂️. I pretty much always do what I need to do in my personal life and am able to manipulate my schedule as I see fit to accommodate what I want/need to do. Does QOL suck at United (where I have quite a few friends)? No. Am I able to do things they wish they could? Yes.
I almost never do PHL/BWI-LAX/LAS. I’m pretty much over and done being in an airplane after 3.5-4 hours. I would never bid widebody even if I could hold it at a legacy. If we ever got 330/350s here. Have at it.
So… I could care less about WB flying. With 15% free money in a DC, QOL to do whatever I want most every month, I really don’t see any reason leaving. I’m going to retire with 2-3+ M at either shop.
People can do whatever it is they feel/want to do. I am very happy here. A vast majority of people I fly with are.
Last edited by CAirBear; 01-04-2022 at 01:26 PM.
#442
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Hi there. I know you love it here, and so do I. Having said that.
I got unstacked both for xmas and new years, I bid 35% in base (been here over 7 years). Our pay is stil way behind. I work 15 days a month to make as much as a 8 year SWA FO makes in 12 days (and I am a captain). If you get hired today in the next 20 years 30% of the people ahead of you will retire, and because we don't have NB/WB all of them are ahead of you. If you go to TOXIC AA, 75% will retire before you, and those 25% will be on the WB, so you can be the number 1 NB-CA instead of bidding 30% 20 years in.
I got unstacked both for xmas and new years, I bid 35% in base (been here over 7 years). Our pay is stil way behind. I work 15 days a month to make as much as a 8 year SWA FO makes in 12 days (and I am a captain). If you get hired today in the next 20 years 30% of the people ahead of you will retire, and because we don't have NB/WB all of them are ahead of you. If you go to TOXIC AA, 75% will retire before you, and those 25% will be on the WB, so you can be the number 1 NB-CA instead of bidding 30% 20 years in.
Damn that sucks. Im 60%ish in base as Captain and had thanksgiving and Christmas off. I did have to work New Year’s Eve though.
#443
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Say one is a junior Spirit pilot (3 or less years on property), mid-30s, lives in base for both NK and UA — what are the pros and cons for leaving for United? The money favors United, but I’m more interested in QOL. Yes, Spirit has great work rules — but United’s aren’t bad. More importantly, the seniority movement at United seems more promising over a 30 year career with the large amount of United retirements. What should I be considering or what would you do if you are in my shoes?
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ive only been here 26 years, so I guess my sample size is too small, lol. But I fly with former rj caps, or retired mil 99% of the time. We’re getting the cream of the crop, as far as I can tell. Yea, the occasional 2500 f/o from the aviate program may get in a class every now and then, but it’s not the norm. And those that do, are sharp as hell.
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ive only been here 26 years, so I guess my sample size is too small, lol. But I fly with former rj caps, or retired mil 99% of the time. We’re getting the cream of the crop, as far as I can tell. Yea, the occasional 2500 f/o from the aviate program may get in a class every now and then, but it’s not the norm. And those that do, are sharp as hell.
#446
ive only been here 26 years, so I guess my sample size is too small, lol. But I fly with former rj caps, or retired mil 99% of the time. We’re getting the cream of the crop, as far as I can tell. Yea, the occasional 2500 f/o from the aviate program may get in a class every now and then, but it’s not the norm. And those that do, are sharp as hell.
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surpisingly, both. Had quite a few new guys recently. It’s nice to see
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Thanks for weighing in. I'm considering applying after May, when my baby comes. 0 TPIC, so even though it's possible, I'm not expecting much. United would be cool because they go to my hometown, but I also love it at Spirit so either way is a win.
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you tied into aviate? If so, the lack of pic can be worked around.
#450
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Say one is a junior Spirit pilot (3 or less years on property), mid-30s, lives in base for both NK and UA — what are the pros and cons for leaving for United? The money favors United, but I’m more interested in QOL. Yes, Spirit has great work rules — but United’s aren’t bad. More importantly, the seniority movement at United seems more promising over a 30 year career with the large amount of United retirements. What should I be considering or what would you do if you are in my shoes?
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