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Old 03-12-2022 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
"Big picture stuff."
"A lot of other things in play"
"Many moving parts"

Just some of the sayings I hear from people trying to minimize input from front line employees.
The current “big picture” is that one of the “things in play” is that “many moving parts” are NK pilots moving to better paying airlines.

Yep, the very senior people will be trapped somewhat by seniority, but from the CAs on reserve all the way down to the junior guy on training pay in indoc, everybody is a free agent. And even the younger line holding CAs have got to be tempted.
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Old 03-12-2022 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
The current “big picture” is that one of the “things in play” is that “many moving parts” are NK pilots moving to better paying airlines.

Yep, the very senior people will be trapped somewhat by seniority, but from the CAs on reserve all the way down to the junior guy on training pay in indoc, everybody is a free agent. And even the younger line holding CAs have got to be tempted.
Did you see Frontier management raised first year pay today? Funny, looks like management is having to fix their own issues vs pilots needing to negotiate for it
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Old 03-12-2022 | 12:13 PM
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The nice thing about that language is once raised its everyone on year 1, cannot go down, and can be raised up to 98.5% of second year pay. Not sure if that happened or not yet? It needs to imo.
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Old 03-12-2022 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
The nice thing about that language is once raised its everyone on year 1, cannot go down, and can be raised up to 98.5% of second year pay. Not sure if that happened or not yet? It needs to imo.
It happened but it hey didn’t do the full 98.5%
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Old 03-12-2022 | 12:25 PM
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The gates are underutilized in DFW. Besides early am and late night they can be a ghost town. It’s not a lack of gates
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Old 03-12-2022 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 93Sierra
The gates are underutilized in DFW. Besides early am and late night they can be a ghost town. It’s not a lack of gates

Whats the story with those envoy gates on the banjo? They were empty a few years back and I seem to recall parking at one once. They might become available again?
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Old 03-12-2022 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Did you see Frontier management raised first year pay today? Funny, looks like management is having to fix their own issues vs pilots needing to negotiate for it
We don’t need to wait to a point where the regionals are paying DECs $130k a year for the unions to start representing the interest of the junior people. Would you be happy if management agreed to substantial wage increases for only the lowest two-thirds of the pilot group? If the pay scales flattened out completely after year six or seven? The union needs to fairly represent ALL the pilots. That’s not just the right thing to do, it’s the law.
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Old 03-12-2022 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
Whats the story with those envoy gates on the banjo? They were empty a few years back and I seem to recall parking at one once. They might become available again?
Spirit lost the bid on them, or just didn’t bid on them, a few years ago.

Also, frontier is now paying new hires roughly 4k a month more during training than Spirit new hires.
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Old 03-12-2022 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
How much worse could it get for DFW? Isn’t it like 20 years to hold a line there as a CA?
☝️I want some of what this guy's smokin'
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Old 03-12-2022 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
We don’t need to wait to a point where the regionals are paying DECs $130k a year for the unions to start representing the interest of the junior people. Would you be happy if management agreed to substantial wage increases for only the lowest two-thirds of the pilot group? If the pay scales flattened out completely after year six or seven? The union needs to fairly represent ALL the pilots. That’s not just the right thing to do, it’s the law.
Haha. Always so fun with you
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