JetBlue purchase of Spirt
07-31-2022 | 05:57 AM
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Yeah, he knows it all too well, so couldn’t resist.
Not expecting a huge advance because of a couple RJs, and the A220 is pretty much the same size as our 319s.
And although pay rates don’t matter for the SLI yours are still better, our international override is higher, but doesn’t pay for everything outside Conus. And you have red-eye pay. Think our commute policy is better (less restrictive). Want your PTO and our reserve grid (probably your reserve rules). Hope we can keep the best from both and add legacy (no, not Alaska) rates.
Not expecting a huge advance because of a couple RJs, and the A220 is pretty much the same size as our 319s.
And although pay rates don’t matter for the SLI yours are still better, our international override is higher, but doesn’t pay for everything outside Conus. And you have red-eye pay. Think our commute policy is better (less restrictive). Want your PTO and our reserve grid (probably your reserve rules). Hope we can keep the best from both and add legacy (no, not Alaska) rates.
07-31-2022 | 06:30 AM
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My hope is we as a pilot group can focus on the things we can control and that's coming together as a unified group to get the best JCBA we possibly can. The SLI will take care of itself. It's fun to speculate and measure peckers but it's in the hands of both MnA committees and ultimately the arbiter. But because JBs CBA requires a JCBA before both companies can combine, it's the one time that JB will be in more of a hurry to get a deal done. We'll have the greatest leverage we'll ever have in our careers to keep the best practices of both sides and make the gains we need and deserve to attract and retain pilots.
07-31-2022 | 06:32 AM
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My hope is we as a pilot group can focus on the things we can control and that's coming together as a unified group to get the best JCBA we possibly can. The SLI will take care of itself. It's fun to speculate and measure peckers but it's in the hands of both MnA committees and ultimately the arbiter. But because JBs CBA requires a JCBA before both companies can combine, it's the one time that JB will be in more of a hurry to get a deal done. We'll have the greatest leverage we'll ever have in our careers to keep the best practices of both sides and make the gains we need and deserve to attract and retain pilots.
07-31-2022 | 06:46 AM
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No, that’s a snapshot for terms of any category/class silos that would be created. If AS had widebodies and VX didn’t then they would create silos based on a/c on property at that December 14th snapshot date.
This is a good explanation in the DL/NW ruling starting on page 26 at the “Constructive Notice” section explaining that the merger announcement date is the seniority list snapshot date:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lnqqw0zntd...8b6d.html?dl=0
To summarize, the public announcement date is when pilots are aware there will be a merger with their respective companies. Anyone hired after that date is assumed to be joining the combined company (DOH will be used) as opposed to anyone hired before the Constructive Notice date where there wasn’t any plan of merger.
This is a good explanation in the DL/NW ruling starting on page 26 at the “Constructive Notice” section explaining that the merger announcement date is the seniority list snapshot date:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lnqqw0zntd...8b6d.html?dl=0
To summarize, the public announcement date is when pilots are aware there will be a merger with their respective companies. Anyone hired after that date is assumed to be joining the combined company (DOH will be used) as opposed to anyone hired before the Constructive Notice date where there wasn’t any plan of merger.
What does that mean for someone hired after the announcement date exactly?
07-31-2022 | 06:52 AM
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07-31-2022 | 07:57 AM
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Well, if the current B6 MEC and NC is still in place, you can be sure “they will ask, jetblue will say no,” and that will be that, then 69% will shrug their shoulders and vote yes to whatever agreement they are given.
07-31-2022 | 08:07 AM
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07-31-2022 | 08:19 AM
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Assuming most of the NK pilots vote to keep “drop to zero” then we would only need a much smaller portion of the B6 voters to create a majority. The dynamics of the combined pilot group will change going forward and could potentially have more resolve and determination to not accept anything less than stellar JCBA.
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