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12-31-2024 | 08:02 AM
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Thing is when you’re losing $300M a quarter no amount of labor compensation cuts will make the difference when you’re already the second lowest paid. They just can’t make that case to be plausible.
Merger or massive increase in revenue are the only options.
The good news is that Ford and Harrison is a known quantity and ALPA should know the playbook by now.
Merger or massive increase in revenue are the only options.
The good news is that Ford and Harrison is a known quantity and ALPA should know the playbook by now.
12-31-2024 | 08:21 AM
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Thing is when you’re losing $300M a quarter no amount of labor compensation cuts will make the difference when you’re already the second lowest paid. They just can’t make that case to be plausible.
Merger or massive increase in revenue are the only options.
The good news is that Ford and Harrison is a known quantity and ALPA should know the playbook by now.
Merger or massive increase in revenue are the only options.
The good news is that Ford and Harrison is a known quantity and ALPA should know the playbook by now.
maybe hired in advanced of jcba negotiations. Seems a little late in the game to be hired to change anything in our contract given the proposed timeframe of this process
12-31-2024 | 09:39 AM
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Thing is when you’re losing $300M a quarter no amount of labor compensation cuts will make the difference when you’re already the second lowest paid. They just can’t make that case to be plausible.
Merger or massive increase in revenue are the only options.
The good news is that Ford and Harrison is a known quantity and ALPA should know the playbook by now.
Merger or massive increase in revenue are the only options.
The good news is that Ford and Harrison is a known quantity and ALPA should know the playbook by now.
If it's an F9 merger, maybe they'd like the JCBA to start as far back from pole position as possible.
If they had a good legal case for cuts, I suspect they'd just ask the judge, not hire union busters.
12-31-2024 | 09:42 AM
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But nothing to stop them from asking (in a carefully sculpted climate of fear).
12-31-2024 | 10:58 AM
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that and their lawyers will analyze every work groups contract/work rules. The will find every loop hole and advise mgmt how to exploit the contracts/work rules without violating said agreements.
Google their website… experts in keeping unions off property and “working” with them.
I suggest reading the book “confessions of a union buster”. Written by a former Ford/Harrison employee
Google their website… experts in keeping unions off property and “working” with them.
I suggest reading the book “confessions of a union buster”. Written by a former Ford/Harrison employee
No kidding. They are the #1 aviation union busting law firm. Their trolls are even on this page spreading FUD if you know where to look.
Right now over on the allegiant forum FH has a bunch of guys with new accounts pretending to be "concerned citizens" in the pilot group and agitating to vote the union out and go non union... in the middle of negotiations!
Stand strong guys. Best of luck.
12-31-2024 | 01:02 PM
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No kidding. They are the #1 aviation union busting law firm. Their trolls are even on this page spreading FUD if you know where to look.
Right now over on the allegiant forum FH has a bunch of guys with new accounts pretending to be "concerned citizens" in the pilot group and agitating to vote the union out and go non union... in the middle of negotiations!
Stand strong guys. Best of luck.
No kidding. They are the #1 aviation union busting law firm. Their trolls are even on this page spreading FUD if you know where to look.
Right now over on the allegiant forum FH has a bunch of guys with new accounts pretending to be "concerned citizens" in the pilot group and agitating to vote the union out and go non union... in the middle of negotiations!
Stand strong guys. Best of luck.
12-31-2024 | 03:53 PM
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Thing is when you’re losing $300M a quarter no amount of labor compensation cuts will make the difference when you’re already the second lowest paid. They just can’t make that case to be plausible.
Merger or massive increase in revenue are the only options.
The good news is that Ford and Harrison is a known quantity and ALPA should know the playbook by now.
Merger or massive increase in revenue are the only options.
The good news is that Ford and Harrison is a known quantity and ALPA should know the playbook by now.
I see it as a high probability, there will be some kind of financial relief through modified labor agreements. Spirit pilots may be some of the lowest per hour flown compensated pilots. However, due to some pretty sweet work rules and contractual agreements, the overall burden on the company probably bears some room for helping improve the state of the company.
With that being said, I’d imagine there will be hourly rate increases in the near future. And the ability to make equal to or more will be a thing. The change will come in how hard we have to work to obtain the same income.
Earning 100k at American Airlines requires more work than earning 100k at Spirit as a pilot. You can however earn far more in the end at American. Even Delta and UAL. They’re going to make people work for their money.
12-31-2024 | 04:16 PM
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Why would you assume labor concessions would be their ONLY solution to the problem?
I see it as a high probability, there will be some kind of financial relief through modified labor agreements. Spirit pilots may be some of the lowest per hour flown compensated pilots. However, due to some pretty sweet work rules and contractual agreements, the overall burden on the company probably bears some room for helping improve the state of the company.
With that being said, I’d imagine there will be hourly rate increases in the near future. And the ability to make equal to or more will be a thing. The change will come in how hard we have to work to obtain the same income.
Earning 100k at American Airlines requires more work than earning 100k at Spirit as a pilot. You can however earn far more in the end at American. Even Delta and UAL. They’re going to make people work for their money.
I see it as a high probability, there will be some kind of financial relief through modified labor agreements. Spirit pilots may be some of the lowest per hour flown compensated pilots. However, due to some pretty sweet work rules and contractual agreements, the overall burden on the company probably bears some room for helping improve the state of the company.
With that being said, I’d imagine there will be hourly rate increases in the near future. And the ability to make equal to or more will be a thing. The change will come in how hard we have to work to obtain the same income.
Earning 100k at American Airlines requires more work than earning 100k at Spirit as a pilot. You can however earn far more in the end at American. Even Delta and UAL. They’re going to make people work for their money.
12-31-2024 | 05:26 PM
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Why would you assume labor concessions would be their ONLY solution to the problem?
I see it as a high probability, there will be some kind of financial relief through modified labor agreements. Spirit pilots may be some of the lowest per hour flown compensated pilots. However, due to some pretty sweet work rules and contractual agreements, the overall burden on the company probably bears some room for helping improve the state of the company.
With that being said, I’d imagine there will be hourly rate increases in the near future. And the ability to make equal to or more will be a thing. The change will come in how hard we have to work to obtain the same income.
Earning 100k at American Airlines requires more work than earning 100k at Spirit as a pilot. You can however earn far more in the end at American. Even Delta and UAL. They’re going to make people work for their money.
I see it as a high probability, there will be some kind of financial relief through modified labor agreements. Spirit pilots may be some of the lowest per hour flown compensated pilots. However, due to some pretty sweet work rules and contractual agreements, the overall burden on the company probably bears some room for helping improve the state of the company.
With that being said, I’d imagine there will be hourly rate increases in the near future. And the ability to make equal to or more will be a thing. The change will come in how hard we have to work to obtain the same income.
Earning 100k at American Airlines requires more work than earning 100k at Spirit as a pilot. You can however earn far more in the end at American. Even Delta and UAL. They’re going to make people work for their money.
We don’t even have min day pay.
We just got block or better per leg, and had to wait a year into the new contract.
We have the WORST reserve rules of any major airline.
Our pilots who are working tomorrow get $75 vs double time etc at other airlines.
They get crew meals and we are told to not touch the pop chips or cheese boxes.
We can drop trips and give back money if there is coverage. That’s about it. Let’s please stop like our contract is superior in work rules compared to legacy airlines, it’s not.
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