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Old 02-10-2025 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TadKrusty
Why buy spirit with its negative view by the traveling public when you can hire their pilots and get everything else once they liquidate. I'm sure part of the company will be bought off by F9 or the likes.. but realistically, the parts are worth more than than the sum of the whole.. I just don't see a legacy or even SWA wanting NK as a whole. Obviously I do not make any decisions greater than, "start two or single engine taxi?"
Im pretty sure you don’t understand that there are no pieces to sell. Everything we “have” has near zero equity and is all heavily leveraged. You sell those pieces and you get a couple bucks. Most of the fleet is leased so if you liquidate those jets go back to the lessor and released on the open market at much much higher rates than what spirit is currently paying. Order book goes back to Airbus to put on the open market in whatever delivery schedule they want to negotiate with new buyers.

Contrary to your thesis Spirit ONLY has value as a package. The parts are worth nothing.
You buy the package and you get a plug and play HQ/training facility, a fleet of fairly new airbuses at much cheaper lease rates than current market. Some of which are being paid for by P&W to help ease your transition into the new jets. You get a portion of the fleet that’s “owned” and leveraged but with a little equity in them. Some LGA slots, half of the FLL market. It all comes with some debt and some stake holders wishing to get their money back, and next to zero stock that you’d normally have to pay a major premium for.

You sell it in pieces and it all goes on the open market at much higher cost but the current owners don’t get much payback bc none of it has equity and the jets go back to the lessors. Their motivation to sell for parts would be next to nil and a buyer that wants jets won’t get any discount waiting for pieces when they can inherit spirits current lease rates which are much cheaper
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Old 02-10-2025 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
Im pretty sure you don’t understand that there are no pieces to sell. Everything we “have” has near zero equity and is all heavily leveraged. You sell those pieces and you get a couple bucks. Most of the fleet is leased so if you liquidate those jets go back to the lessor and released on the open market at much much higher rates than what spirit is currently paying. Order book goes back to Airbus to put on the open market in whatever delivery schedule they want to negotiate with new buyers.

Contrary to your thesis Spirit ONLY has value as a package. The parts are worth nothing.
You buy the package and you get a plug and play HQ/training facility, a fleet of fairly new airbuses at much cheaper lease rates than current market. Some of which are being paid for by P&W to help ease your transition into the new jets. You get a portion of the fleet that’s “owned” and leveraged but with a little equity in them. Some LGA slots, half of the FLL market. It all comes with some debt and some stake holders wishing to get their money back, and next to zero stock that you’d normally have to pay a major premium for.

You sell it in pieces and it all goes on the open market at much higher cost but the current owners don’t get much payback bc none of it has equity and the jets go back to the lessors. Their motivation to sell for parts would be next to nil and a buyer that wants jets won’t get any discount waiting for pieces when they can inherit spirits current lease rates which are much cheaper
I think the point of his post wasn’t to make a salient point as much as to be an acehole.
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Old 02-16-2025 | 10:18 AM
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Any updates on attrition numbers this month so far?
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Old 02-16-2025 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gradywhite27
Any updates on attrition numbers this month so far?
Was told it’s over 80 already as of last week.
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Old 02-16-2025 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Was told it’s over 80 already as of last week.
Whoa! Thanks
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Old 02-16-2025 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Was told it’s over 80 already as of last week.
81 Soon ...

It would be nice if this helps our furloughed brothers and sisters get recalled sooner rather than later !

Any ideas when those recalled pilots are expected to be recalled ? seems like with attirition this high if they dont sell more aircraft spirit will need to start new hires again
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Old 02-17-2025 | 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexjones
81 Soon ...

It would be nice if this helps our furloughed brothers and sisters get recalled sooner rather than later !

Any ideas when those recalled pilots are expected to be recalled ? seems like with attirition this high if they dont sell more aircraft spirit will need to start new hires again
More aircraft are.expdcted to be parked over the summer for NEO issues so this may just keep there from being furlough again.
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Old 02-17-2025 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TheRubberDucky
More aircraft are.expdcted to be parked over the summer for NEO issues so this may just keep there from being furlough again.
Source of this great news and details please?
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Old 02-17-2025 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sioux8ships
Source of this great news and details please?

This has always been part of the reason for the original furlough. The statement is not referring to additional and doesn’t really make sense. Right now x amount of aircraft are parked. The average amount will be increasing through 2025. Nothing has changed.

The question is, what sort of attrition did those that make the plan moving forward, factor into the amount needed to furlough.
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Old 02-17-2025 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
This has always been part of the reason for the original furlough. The statement is not referring to additional and doesn’t really make sense. Right now x amount of aircraft are parked. The average amount will be increasing through 2025. Nothing has changed.

The question is, what sort of attrition did those that make the plan moving forward, factor into the amount needed to furlough.
The furloughs are for next year numbers.
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