Spirit Now Sure As It Emerges From Bankruptcy
07-06-2025 | 07:21 PM
#351
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Glad you made it out, but the point is that US workers should be prioritized. Maybe the visa don’t get canceled, but at least not renewed. During Covid, expats were the first ones to be fired at foreign carriers. If you think foreign carriers play by the same rules, you’re very mistaken.
The Aussies are good people. Good aviators too. No ill will, but Americans come first
The Aussies are good people. Good aviators too. No ill will, but Americans come first
Foreign carriers also terminate pilots for refusing to fly when fatigued, so trying to meet those standards is not the benchmark we/you should be striving for as a unionized carrier in the USA.
Aussie pilots pay their dues and work under the same CBA protections as any other NK pilot. This isnt about USA vs Foreign, it's about CBA and the obligation SPA ALPA has to follow it.
07-06-2025 | 07:43 PM
#352
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Aussie pilots are unionized pilots and are afforded the same "duty of fair representation" as pilots born on US soil. So its just not as simple as saying "next round of furloughs we will get rid of the Visa pilots first", because like it or now, SPA ALPA would legally be required to file arbitration for furloughing out of the order prescribed in the CBA.
Foreign carriers also terminate pilots for refusing to fly when fatigued, so trying to meet those standards is not the benchmark we/you should be striving for as a unionized carrier in the USA.
Aussie pilots pay their dues and work under the same CBA protections as any other NK pilot. This isnt about USA vs Foreign, it's about CBA and the obligation SPA ALPA has to follow it.
Foreign carriers also terminate pilots for refusing to fly when fatigued, so trying to meet those standards is not the benchmark we/you should be striving for as a unionized carrier in the USA.
Aussie pilots pay their dues and work under the same CBA protections as any other NK pilot. This isnt about USA vs Foreign, it's about CBA and the obligation SPA ALPA has to follow it.
07-06-2025 | 08:45 PM
#353
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Aussie pilots are unionized pilots and are afforded the same "duty of fair representation" as pilots born on US soil. So its just not as simple as saying "next round of furloughs we will get rid of the Visa pilots first", because like it or now, SPA ALPA would legally be required to file arbitration for furloughing out of the order prescribed in the CBA.
Foreign carriers also terminate pilots for refusing to fly when fatigued, so trying to meet those standards is not the benchmark we/you should be striving for as a unionized carrier in the USA.
Aussie pilots pay their dues and work under the same CBA protections as any other NK pilot. This isnt about USA vs Foreign, it's about CBA and the obligation SPA ALPA has to follow it.
Foreign carriers also terminate pilots for refusing to fly when fatigued, so trying to meet those standards is not the benchmark we/you should be striving for as a unionized carrier in the USA.
Aussie pilots pay their dues and work under the same CBA protections as any other NK pilot. This isnt about USA vs Foreign, it's about CBA and the obligation SPA ALPA has to follow it.
07-06-2025 | 09:33 PM
#354
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Spirit union is / should prioritize seniority over nationality. You can write a request/wishlist to management to not renew the visas. That’s probably your best shot at screwing over your fellow pilots. Good luck.
07-07-2025 | 04:36 AM
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Just saw this. Sorry guys. When it rains it pours.
Just saw this. Sorry guys. When it rains it pours.
I don’t know why there’s been zero communication regarding this. Sort of a big deal no?
07-07-2025 | 09:34 AM
#356
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If you go back a page, you’d know that I said that I don’t have any skin in the game anymore. In this situation, a fellow pilot is getting the short end of the stick regardless of nationality. I’d rather prioritize an American worker over a foreign one (as should any other nation), but that’s above all of our pay grade and none of this back and forth matters
07-07-2025 | 12:48 PM
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If you go back a page, you’d know that I said that I don’t have any skin in the game anymore. In this situation, a fellow pilot is getting the short end of the stick regardless of nationality. I’d rather prioritize an American worker over a foreign one (as should any other nation), but that’s above all of our pay grade and none of this back and forth matters
Last edited by Lakeaffect; 07-07-2025 at 01:05 PM.
07-07-2025 | 01:14 PM
#358
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This forum is for Spirit Airlines Pilots. Not American Workers. We all have certain ideas and preferences about how things should be. Are you addressing it in the right forum? I would say no, that’s my irritation. Like you said, this back and forth doesn’t matter. We can agree on that
07-07-2025 | 03:38 PM
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It’s more of a political topic than an issue that’s gonna help or hurt the pilot group. Some sort of political forum I think would be more appropriate.
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