Spirit of NKS
04-18-2015 | 08:37 AM
Getting Out
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From: A320
Off with their heads!
Glad to see the changes. Been here two years. I want 150%/200% for OT and I want pay rates that dont need 150%/200% to be average.
No concessions. No give to get.
My apps are out and will leave at first chance unless we get a good contract before I get called. I'm not waiting. Many others Ive talked to are in the same boat.
Glad to see the changes. Been here two years. I want 150%/200% for OT and I want pay rates that dont need 150%/200% to be average.
No concessions. No give to get.
My apps are out and will leave at first chance unless we get a good contract before I get called. I'm not waiting. Many others Ive talked to are in the same boat.
04-18-2015 | 08:41 AM
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From: A320 Left
Off with their heads!
Glad to see the changes. Been here two years. I want 150%/200% for OT and I want pay rates that dont need 150%/200% to be average.
No concessions. No give to get.
My apps are out and will leave at first chance unless we get a good contract before I get called. I'm not waiting. Many others Ive talked to are in the same boat.
Glad to see the changes. Been here two years. I want 150%/200% for OT and I want pay rates that dont need 150%/200% to be average.
No concessions. No give to get.
My apps are out and will leave at first chance unless we get a good contract before I get called. I'm not waiting. Many others Ive talked to are in the same boat.
04-18-2015 | 09:17 AM
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From: A320HD
I don't need legacy wide body rates to be content, I won't post what I'd vote yes for (don't know who's lurking). I'm in the base I want, off reserve, and have better qol than most of my buddies at the legacies. Hard to give that up. I have a timeline for resubmitting my apps, and I'll hold to it.
Serious question for you, if you already made good money with 72 hours, why do you need OT?? I think that's the point Joey is trying to make. I can agree an occasional pick up to cover a special toy, but to make that the end all of your vote seems a bit silly to me. Let's say you're a 2011 hire at 5th year pay. Would you give up a quicker $50/hour pay bump in exchange for a longer negotiating timeline and 150%? Everyone's priorities are different, and I totally respect your priorities.
Serious question for you, if you already made good money with 72 hours, why do you need OT?? I think that's the point Joey is trying to make. I can agree an occasional pick up to cover a special toy, but to make that the end all of your vote seems a bit silly to me. Let's say you're a 2011 hire at 5th year pay. Would you give up a quicker $50/hour pay bump in exchange for a longer negotiating timeline and 150%? Everyone's priorities are different, and I totally respect your priorities.
04-18-2015 | 09:19 AM
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I'm willing to put money on 1 to 2 years as there are zero reasons for the company to settle early. Until a mass exoudus warrants, we are where we are and it is what it is for a while.
04-18-2015 | 10:57 AM
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One does not have to do with the other. AFAIK the carriers who make more than us hourly also get premium pay for extra flying. Ridiculous to argue it that way. Getting rid of 150% was one of the eh fing stupidest things I've ever heard of. Is there any other job where overtime is not time and a half?
With the feeding frenzie around here for the open offered at 100%, why would the company see any reason to offer 150% on all open time pick up?
Let me ask you directly, do you pick up open time at straight pay currently?
04-18-2015 | 11:00 AM
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How exactly has the Negotiating comm screwed you/us?
I hope its not because of the whole (150%) Why some of our guys are so hell bent on having the ability to work more/harder is beyond me. Focus on pay rates @ 72hrs, not having the ability to ***** your self out to make a comparable W2 to your peers..............
I hope its not because of the whole (150%) Why some of our guys are so hell bent on having the ability to work more/harder is beyond me. Focus on pay rates @ 72hrs, not having the ability to ***** your self out to make a comparable W2 to your peers..............
+1000. Why people are so hell bent on working their their days off kills me
04-18-2015 | 11:06 AM
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I don't need legacy wide body rates to be content, I won't post what I'd vote yes for (don't know who's lurking). I'm in the base I want, off reserve, and have better qol than most of my buddies at the legacies. Hard to give that up. I have a timeline for resubmitting my apps, and I'll hold to it.
Serious question for you, if you already made good money with 72 hours, why do you need OT?? I think that's the point Joey is trying to make. I can agree an occasional pick up to cover a special toy, but to make that the end all of your vote seems a bit silly to me. Let's say you're a 2011 hire at 5th year pay. Would you give up a quicker $50/hour pay bump in exchange for a longer negotiating timeline and 150%? Everyone's priorities are different, and I totally respect your priorities.
Serious question for you, if you already made good money with 72 hours, why do you need OT?? I think that's the point Joey is trying to make. I can agree an occasional pick up to cover a special toy, but to make that the end all of your vote seems a bit silly to me. Let's say you're a 2011 hire at 5th year pay. Would you give up a quicker $50/hour pay bump in exchange for a longer negotiating timeline and 150%? Everyone's priorities are different, and I totally respect your priorities.
I do need legacy narrow body rates, legacy retirement, legacy LTD, and southwest scope
04-18-2015 | 11:11 AM
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That's why they make different flavored ice cream. You like your 72 hrs and time off and nobody is forcing you to work. Why do you care what anyone else does? Unless you're a complete socialist and have an ideological need to get as many people hired at 72 hrs max, it really doesn't effect you. If a guy making the personal decision to work extra "kills" you, then you need all the time off possible. Take a trip, have a drink, get a massage... but lighten up. There is a lot out there to get fired up about, someone else's work ethic isn't one of them.
04-18-2015 | 11:14 AM
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From: Switch, Lever & Light Specialist
Now, I'm guessing when he says we're the best...he assumes we're suckers for flying comparable legacy aircraft for much below industry avg pay. That would certainly make us the best when it fattens his bonus.
That executive gravy train has sailed. Time to be compensated like we're an integral component in our success...which we are, and then some!
04-18-2015 | 11:16 AM
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Spirit of NKS
That's why they make different flavored ice cream. You like your 72 hrs and time off and nobody is forcing you to work. Why do you care what anyone else does? Unless you're a complete socialist and have an ideological need to get as many people hired at 72 hrs max, it really doesn't effect you. If a guy making the personal decision to work extra "kills" you, then you need all the time off possible. Take a trip, have a drink, get a massage... but lighten up. There is a lot out there to get fired up about, someone else's work ethic isn't one of them.
I also don't view the solution as an either or. I think we can get some 150-200% open time options but I really don't think we'll get it on all open time given how willing everyone is to pick it up at straight pay the vast majority of the time.
I guess I should clarify that the bit I don't get is the "I won't vote yes on anything without 150%". I would find that hard to believe if our rates were brought up to the industry average.
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