Rainbows

Wow, we have just entered The Twilight Zone. I'm going back to the Jade Helm site!

BillyBaroo

Some people have had waaayyy too many DEN overnights. The second hand smoke has certainly done a number.......

Hugedouche

On par I would agree with you, BUT if you look at the huge QOL issues that others are facing even at 20+ years at said legacy we have a huge advantage right now. Will that be the case in 20? No, but for the the foreseeable 10 years yes. We will not Spirit as we know it today but to suggest that the under 40 crowd jump and the legacy wagon is almost fruitless. I know several dozen of pilot around my age and some that are around the 55 mark that HATE the company they fly for for various reasons, and the most common remark is "I am way from way to much for this ****!" FYI, I have been at home for the past 35 out of the 50 days, middle of the road gear *****.

So the question remains, do you (I) make a great QOL or couple extra hundred grand over my carrier? It is honestly a tough question. From my stand point the entire US passenger biz will boil down to how many fat ass people can we put on a plane and how many bags can we charge for it. When you are looking at a CASM of .055 VS .09 (average) I think the path is clear. Keep in mind if we get a leading contract combined with our newest fleet type our CASM will still be <.06 and NO OTHER AIRLINE CAN TOUCH IT without going through a reorganization process.

I think that it's safe to say that this is the new wave, hell most other airlines are starting to charge for the first bag, nice seat etc....

Again, the question is, do I want to make what the legacy guy makes or do I want to be home with my kids as the grow up? To each either own, right?

Cheers man

Also to add, my effective rate of flying is near or above what my friend are making, I have flown 350 hours this year and my credit is 640, and that is not even with trying. Work rules are EVERYTHING and payrates are the last thing that should be looked at!!

Qotsaautopilot

I know plenty of legacy guys that live in base that have as good qol as a spirit guy. I also know a couple 20+ year commuters that have a good qol. I also know some spirit guys that live in base and have great qol and some commuters that have good qol. What's your point? Work rules are important- yes. We have some things others don't have but to think spirit is the end all be all in qol work rules is just naive. What happens when we lose our medical? That's a great qol right? The legacy guy gets paid til he's 65. Us, not so much. It's time to get paid! Get some better scope protection. And some insurance for our most fragile asset, our medical. After all, we do come here to get a paycheck right? A guy in my class drops everything and never comes to work. He also gets a paycheck for zero dollars. That's a great qol sure but I can't exactly eat with qol. I'm not saying cut work rules but rationalizing how we shouldn't get paid as much as the other guys because we can get time off (news flash they can too) is just stupid.

Cruise

Yes, this! Some guys really need to chill a bit.

Cruise

I get the distinct impression English is a second language for you. As a result, you might be interpreting things just a bit too literally.

Take a deep breath and enjoy the ride.

Rainbows

I'm thinking it's an act.

gonyon

Was just jumps eating on an American flight where the ca was talking about a friend who had 2 days off in 15. Yuck.


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Lobaeux

I sat in the jump of a United 737 the other day, great, great guys. The FO had been at Continental pre-9/11, no furlough and was holding a good line with the days off he wanted, no desire to upgrade. He was looking at moving over to the 787, but was afraid his QOL would go down.

9/11 was nearly 14 years ago! 14! I thought the movement was much, much better than the right seat of a 737. Granted he makes a good living, but 14+ years in the right seat? In a 737, it had a glass cockpit, but holy cow that airplane looked like it was over 40 years old! It was so loud! His hands were flying all over the cockpit flipping switches, dialing buttons, looking at charts, and he was the PF!! Paper kept spitting out of the printer, he was constantly pulling the throttles back as they moved around and he was working that yoke on the approach. I turn the wheel of my car a lot less when I'm on the racetrack.

Maybe I've become spoiled, but I prefer a more gentlemanly time in the air, a nice quiet flight deck, pleasant conversation and a cup of tea on my tray table.

ManFlex

I'm not an expert on United. At Delta, lots of new hires are going straight into the 757/767. In fact, a mid 2014 hire would be nearly 50% on the 7ER in NYC and able to hold all European layovers this summer. By second year pay, that 7ER FO is making more than our 3rd and 4th year A320 captains. And that 7ER FO is probably getting 15 days off a month as well.

I've enjoyed most things at Spirit. But let's not understate the fact that we certainly have our work cut out for us with this next CBA.