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Old 08-25-2015 | 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
That is why we don't give anything up in our contract. It is time to stop playing "ball" with the company. What has bending over backwards for the company gotten this union; a new contract? Next time they want Emergency Relief; I say get the compensation in writing.

200% pay for the entire month for the entire pilot group would have been acceptable with Junior Man pay being 400% for the entire month.
200% all month and 400% junior man is a pipe dream. A beautiful pipe dream but itll never happen. I've heard rumor of a day off or a share of stock. Neither of which I care for. How about management just agree on a beneficial contract to the pilots?
Old 08-25-2015 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
That is why we don't give anything up in our contract. It is time to stop playing "ball" with the company. What has bending over backwards for the company gotten this union; a new contract? Next time they want Emergency Relief; I say get the compensation in writing.

200% pay for the entire month for the entire pilot group would have been acceptable with Junior Man pay being 400% for the entire month.

Well, we bail them out every day in our own ways...2 hour extensions, arranging our own hotels, calling when we are not listed on the DH flight... How about we stop doing everyone else's job and just worry about our own... A few days of that and maybe the company will get the hint.
Old 08-25-2015 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
200% all month and 400% junior man is a pipe dream. A beautiful pipe dream but itll never happen. I've heard rumor of a day off or a share of stock. Neither of which I care for. How about management just agree on a beneficial contract to the pilots?
A day off? Lmfao, denied, below minimum reserve level.
Imagine all of us trying to take days off, it's enough to throw this fragil sh*t show into another irop.
Old 08-25-2015 | 08:08 AM
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For Christ sake, I thought they had someone to manually handle the stupid Float days? Why for F--- sake does it take so long for an AUTOMATIC TRADE. Its so frustrating
Old 08-25-2015 | 08:09 AM
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And....... now the two hour wait while it says Processing.
Old 08-25-2015 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
For Christ sake, I thought they had someone to manually handle the stupid Float days? Why for F--- sake does it take so long for an AUTOMATIC TRADE. Its so frustrating
File an NCC RIGHT NOW while you are reading these boards. Let's actually do something to hold the company accountable instead of us all complaining; we know how well they 'listen' to that.

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Violation of Section 25.G.1.c, because the awards are not done continuously nor automatically.

Violations of Section 25.H.1,4 because these are not awarded or denied immediately.

Violation of Section 25.R.1, because these (including float vacation) processes were supposed to be automated at DOS + 6 months. Five years later it still doesn't work.

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Before you negative rocks rush to blame the union; we need the grievances filed to get something done about it (like the Red/Green arbitration).

If no one complains in written form, collectively, every person with the ability to do something thinks it is working as intended.

I just filed mine. So let's get all 40 people here plus spread the word on the line to get this changed.
Old 08-25-2015 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by NJGov
File an NCC RIGHT NOW while you are reading these boards. Let's actually do something to hold the company accountable instead of us all complaining; we know how well they 'listen' to that.

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Violation of Section 25.G.1.c, because the awards are not done continuously nor automatically.

Violations of Section 25.H.1,4 because these are not awarded or denied immediately.

Violation of Section 25.R.1, because these (including float vacation) processes were supposed to be automated at DOS + 6 months. Five years later it still doesn't work.

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Before you negative rocks rush to blame the union; we need the grievances filed to get something done about it (like the Red/Green arbitration).

If no one complains in written form, collectively, every person with the ability to do something thinks it is working as intended.

I just filed mine. So let's get all 40 people here plus spread the word on the line to get this changed.
Working on it!
Old 08-25-2015 | 10:26 AM
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Grievance filed
Old 08-25-2015 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
I would be a NO as well.
Gotta be higher than JB, we'll be bottom of the rates again if that's all we're getting.
At least 15% DC
Improved LTD
Retain all work rules
75 hr min for line holders, 72 for reserve
Pay rates top out at 12 years
Higher percentage of A321 flying, my god they're putting 228 seats on them
Int'l pay anytime clear customs
Better rigs
Contract length no greater than five years
I'm sure there's some others, can't remember what I put on the survey. These aren't meant as a memo to management, im definitely not on the NC, nor would I ever have the temperament, attitude or skill for it, but this place needs to start acting like a career airline and not a transition airline.
Someone is finally getting it.
Old 08-25-2015 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
200% all month and 400% junior man is a pipe dream. A beautiful pipe dream but itll never happen. I've heard rumor of a day off or a share of stock. Neither of which I care for. How about management just agree on a beneficial contract to the pilots?
Why are they a pipe dream? We saved this billion dollar company with that relief, right? If we saved it, why not reward us accordingly?

Which brings us back to the question: What is the problem here, a gullible MEC or a fragile company?

It can't be both ways, either the Company was lying about the need for immediate relief which leaves us with the obvious conclusion that the MEC is gullible, or the company was/is so fragile that they needed the relief to survive.

What seems the most likely to you?

How are we NOT screwed either way?
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