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Old 09-02-2015, 04:02 PM   #13521  
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I blue rates are woefully short of the mark at this point as well.


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Old 09-02-2015, 04:27 PM   #13522  
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FEDEX PAY on the B737/B757 by November 2020:

B-737, B-757
Year Group
CAP F/O
1 234.56 81.13
2 260.65 156.39
3 261.96 162.75
4 263.40 166.30
5 264.88 169.97
6 266.32 173.73
7 267.78 177.54
8 269.26 181.45
9 270.73 185.44
10 273.84 192.09
11 277.00 199.05
12 280.16 206.21
13 282.98 207.24
14 285.82 208.25
15 289.26 209.30

Yes, we should have some of that!
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Old 09-02-2015, 04:36 PM   #13523  
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I'm not worried 'bout wide bodies, I don't want that kind of flying, don't need that kind of pay. Those 737/757 pay rates make it tough to swallow our pay rates. But make NO mistake about it, our 321s carrying 228 pax is going to require us to start comparing the 757.
"That kind of flying"

What do you call that 6 hour flight coming back from Lima in the middle of the night? Or the middle of the night jungle turns? What kind of flying is that?

We have some grueling legs and tough airports, don't sell yourself short
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I have no interest in flying some ER version of the 321 neo with belly tanks..

Not to say that NK may one day decide to service Brazil or Chile but always be prepared CBA wise.

One day SWA is flying -300s to El Paso which to some may seem south of the border, and next they have ETOPS -800's going deep Caribbean. Did their contract cover that?
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FEDEX PAY on the B737/B757 by November 2020:

B-737, B-757
Year Group
CAP F/O
1 234.56 81.13
2 260.65 156.39
3 261.96 162.75
4 263.40 166.30
5 264.88 169.97
6 266.32 173.73
7 267.78 177.54
8 269.26 181.45
9 270.73 185.44
10 273.84 192.09
11 277.00 199.05
12 280.16 206.21
13 282.98 207.24
14 285.82 208.25
15 289.26 209.30

Yes, we should have some of that!




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Old 09-02-2015, 06:06 PM   #13526  
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"That kind of flying"

What do you call that 6 hour flight coming back from Lima in the middle of the night? Or the middle of the night jungle turns? What kind of flying is that?

We have some grueling legs and tough airports, don't sell yourself short
That 6 hour flight in the middle of the night from Lima is the exception. I just don't want to do the long international flights.
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That 6 hour flight in the middle of the night from Lima is the exception. I just don't want to do the long international flights.
Sounds as if the CRJ would be a perfect fit for you.
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That 6 hour flight in the middle of the night from Lima is the exception. I just don't want to do the long international flights.
Not sure what you think they plan on doing with the NEOs. Those things will fly 8hrs straight.

It's fine if you want to try and bid around that kind of flying but let's not shoot for a CBA like we are some little florida airline doing Orlando turns. What the company chooses as their business model, route structure, or fleet plan is out of our control but we need a contract that foresees the possible future even if it doesn't come to fruition.
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Not sure what you think they plan on doing with the NEOs. Those things will fly 8hrs straight.

It's fine if you want to try and bid around that kind of flying but let's not shoot for a CBA like we are some little florida airline doing Orlando turns. What the company chooses as their business model, route structure, or fleet plan is out of our control but we need a contract that foresees the possible future even if it doesn't come to fruition.
THats what I'm sayin'. I may not prefer the long international flights, but if we're going to be packing in the pax on our 321s that other airlines pack in on their 757s, we need to have pay rates that reflect that. Pay rates that reflect the fact that we are a mature, very profitable and growing airline. I'm no fool to think we're going to be rolling in American pay rates, but we better be awfully close.
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THats what I'm sayin'. I may not prefer the long international flights, but if we're going to be packing in the pax on our 321s that other airlines pack in on their 757s, we need to have pay rates that reflect that. Pay rates that reflect the fact that we are a mature, very profitable and growing airline. I'm no fool to think we're going to be rolling in American pay rates, but we better be awfully close.
We fly as many pax as legacy 75s do in our base (320) aircraft. AAs 787 seats 226.
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