Not sure where you're getting your numbers from but I can tell you that the average line pilot here is not making 180%-190% pay every month. The average credit for a September line system wide was about 75hrs and I'd say average block on those lines is about 70hrs. That's 1.07 credit to 1.0 block. Far from the 1.8-1.9 you claim. Yes there are outliers and that goes for other airlines as well so those have to be thrown out. Not everyone can or wants to "work the system". I want to bid the lines I want and be done with it. This month instead of bidding for and having Labor Day weekend and a couple of other days in the month off I bid for a line that had a good transition conflict and picked up over top of it to still make less than what a legacy guy makes on guarantee. I missed out on an important family event because of it. It was my choice yes, but not a choice I should have to make IMO just to get the money I should be getting on my regular line.

 

So, is the answer to pay us more, much more and get rid of the loopholes? Get rid of the transition conflict and the various ways we get soft time in exchange for higher pay? I'd gladly get rid of all the soft time, the transition conflict, JRM pay, all of that if it meant I was going to fly 72 hours, get paid for 72 hours yet receive the pay or exceed the pay the legacy guys are getting. im not advocating it, just asking the question.

 

Then maybe you should just go to one, because hell no that is not how I feel.

 

I'm not advocating getting rid of anything. We have work rules others don't and others have work rules we don't. It's a wash. Scope, LTD, pay, and retirement are not even close. Why give up any work rules for those areas that need improvement? We should be getting them regardless. Now if we are talking pay and retirement and scope that are truly the best in the industry I'm sure that work rules come up for sale to some and everything has a price. But to get to where we should be at DOS requires no give on work rules. Period.

 

From everything I am hearing, (legitimate sources) we are not giving up any language and you should expect a nice increase in hourly rates as well as retirement etc. I am hearing we should see a TA relatively soon.

Lets hope its all true (I am hearing we may "give up" the 29 in 7" block language). I know a lot of guys wanted this anyway and if its the case, I applaud our N/C negotiating something for it rather than just give it away so guys here can just pick up and have off 8 days a month, lol

 

Maybe you should shut up and go back to north dakota. I don't want to give up anything, but if it came down to getting legacy pay/retirements and not having to work the loopholes in our contract OR get a modest pay raise and keep working the angles which would anyone choose. I was asking the question dolt, why have to work the "system", sit on the computer picking up open time and begging schedulers for JRM or move up pay, when we could just fly our schedule, not have to work on our days off and make what the Big 4 guys are making?

 

I absolutely enjoy this, not even a word from the "legitimate source" but yet we have legitimate leakage.
If your legitimate mole is legit, then it sounds like a descent outcome, but nothing is legit until it's out in the open.
I just hope it's more legit than June 2010 "go to back to work, it looks good", or July 2015 "the ship is sinking".

 

You know what northdakota, I take it all back, YOU ARE RIGHT. I couldn't go back and edit my post. We don't give up anything, and get better pay rates. This company makes enough money to pay us what we deserve, it's making those huge profits off the backs of the pilot force. There is no need to give up anything.

 

If you work here, it is probably because you could not get hired at a "Big 4" airline in the first place. (Cue "denial & impotent rage", whatever.)

Management knows that there will never be a mass exodus from this airline. You will be paid what Spirit thinks you are worth, when Spirit feels like paying it.


Considering the financial loss in June, along with recent fines for international violations from CBP, you will not see a raise in 2015 because it will cut further into profits for the year.


Our management-friendly union leadership will help to ensure this by continuing to string us along with false "meaningful progress" messages.


We'll get a CBA sometime next year, it will be sub-par and it will be ratified by the overwhelming majority who will be happy to get anything at all. I get that, now.

 

Thanks, we better give up NOTHING.