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06-11-2013, 06:54 AM
#5961
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Au contraire mon frere (Been in the bus too long). I got it, you were poking at Sailor for a typo -probably an auto correct. Yes, when I attack, its on the offensive. Is there another way to attack?
Oh, and since we are playing the spelling / grammar game... here -> '
There is the apostrophe I owe you for "its" instead of "it's" above. Saved you a post kid. You're welcome!
Oh, and since we are playing the spelling / grammar game... here -> '
There is the apostrophe I owe you for "its" instead of "it's" above. Saved you a post kid. You're welcome!
06-11-2013, 07:42 AM
#5962
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
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I wish people would do the math on the LCC. If you really have to get there the majors are better since their route structure is more extensive and they can reroute you lots of different ways. So if delta is 300 and spirit is 280 delta should be the obvious choice but the average pleasure traveler doesn't get their and yells at the agents about how they really have to get to their wedding that they will miss because the weather canceled one of only three flights to get their in the LCC of their choice.
06-11-2013, 08:14 AM
#5963
Bracing for Fallacies
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
Posts: 3,543
Originally Posted by vilcas
I wish people would do the math on the LCC. If you really have to get there the majors are better since their route structure is more extensive and they can reroute you lots of different ways. So if delta is 300 and spirit is 280 delta should be the obvious choice but the average pleasure traveler doesn't get their and yells at the agents about how they really have to get to their wedding that they will miss because the weather canceled one of only three flights to get their in the LCC of their choice.
06-11-2013, 08:23 AM
#5964
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Posts: 1,857
I wish people would do the math on the LCC. If you really have to get there the majors are better since their route structure is more extensive and they can reroute you lots of different ways. So if delta is 300 and spirit is 280 delta should be the obvious choice but the average pleasure traveler doesn't get their and yells at the agents about how they really have to get to their wedding that they will miss because the weather canceled one of only three flights to get their in the LCC of their choice.
To give you an example, a few years back, people would pay $40 less to fly ORD-CLE-MIA (google the distance) on a erj45 vs AA ORD-MIA, that was and is still common.
LCC's are attractive to a lot of passengers, JB, NK, VX and oh I forgot SW. They all offer a service for less than the majors -legacy-, and sometimes a lot less.
Many times the math works for the people to buy tickets on LCC's and it shows that way , since all of these LCC are successfully working their routes.
I agree with you about frequency, but most today do have a way to re-route you and non of these LCC will leave you behind with your wedding dress because of a weight limitation -carrying extra fuel for weather-, you are aware of the smaller jets that fly for the LEGACY's?, yeah the leaving you behind happens everywhere, and weather also affect the LEGACYs, when they cancel for weather everyone knows.
06-11-2013, 08:43 AM
#5965
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Why do you "3" pilots consistently use Spirit metrics in every argument, when it's totally irrelevant?
To bust on someone for a missing coma is petty, and completely lacking comedic value.
I'm betting you are one of those "YOU'RE ON GUARD!!!!!!!" knobs.
06-11-2013, 09:03 AM
#5966
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,898
Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
It's not irrelevant. That is where my paycheck comes from.
To bust on someone for a missing coma is petty, and completely lacking comedic value.
I'm betting you are one of those "YOU'RE ON GUARD!!!!!!!" knobs.
To bust on someone for a missing coma is petty, and completely lacking comedic value.
I'm betting you are one of those "YOU'RE ON GUARD!!!!!!!" knobs.
06-11-2013, 10:46 AM
#5967
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A320
Posts: 1,347
Originally Posted by block30
There has got to be an LCC merger brewing right now....that'll expand the network for that stranded pax. But seriously, I bet there is another merger in the works, and it will be at the LCC level.
06-11-2013, 11:01 AM
#5968
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 319/320/321...whatever it takes.
Posts: 492
Originally Posted by atooraya
I really do love this airline. It seems like every time I pass the Spirit check in desks in ORD at T3 to get thru KCM for my commute, there's ALWAYS at least one passenger losing their **** over fees. "WHAT DO YOU MEAN $100!?! IT'S A CARRY ON!
"
I just wanna yell at them, "Don't waste your breath buddy, you'll be back again next month, because it'll still be the cheapest ticket in town!" Especially when the passengers are seriously so ignorant, that they still end up paying similar to what the LCC's are charging for tickets.
Keep on keeping on Spirit
"I just wanna yell at them, "Don't waste your breath buddy, you'll be back again next month, because it'll still be the cheapest ticket in town!" Especially when the passengers are seriously so ignorant, that they still end up paying similar to what the LCC's are charging for tickets.
Keep on keeping on Spirit
Originally Posted by Normann
I don't know about ORD but in FLL last time my wife had a paying ticket we got stopped in the TSA line by a Spirit agent who checked her ticket. The agent reminded us that we will have to pay $100 for that carry on she was pulling. I told her she was with me but she kept arguing. She was definitely persistent until I started puling her bag too. Her only purpose was to remind people about the fee. This was back when the fee was introduced.
I am sure people are reminded at check in, yet there is always a passenger who wants to pull a quick one. I just saw one in DFW. But even those have a way out. They can call a number and pay over the phone before boarding and pay like $40. As long they have time.
I am sure people are reminded at check in, yet there is always a passenger who wants to pull a quick one. I just saw one in DFW. But even those have a way out. They can call a number and pay over the phone before boarding and pay like $40. As long they have time.
06-11-2013, 02:11 PM
#5969
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Position: 320*****
Posts: 487
Originally Posted by Left Handed
The problem here is that on the Spirit website, you can't proceed without acknowledging the fees. But on third party websites, there is only a small warning in the corner somewhere saying you need to look at the individual airline's web page to be aware of the fees, and nobody bothers to do that. I will tell you I had a passenger on the other day that said she didn't sympathize with the complainers because if you pay attention, there are no surprises. She knew exactly what she was paying, and loved Spirit for being half of what Delta was.
Yeah I have heard that comment a lot. People that fly us frequently understand the fees. There are some real savvy passengers that feel they were getting a real good value and they keep asking us if we will fly here or there in the near future.
But we are expanding and we are putting people into airplanes that have never flown before. Not many of our passengers roll on with Shakespeare in their hand. Most of them get surprised when Discover jacks their interest up after missing a payment. It just that kind of crowd. But they will learn, and the model is proven. Ryan's market share is around 20% or so in Europe. What I am surprised about is that we are the only ones who are pursuing this model.
06-11-2013, 04:17 PM
#5970
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Originally Posted by Left Handed
The problem here is that on the Spirit website, you can't proceed without acknowledging the fees. But on third party websites, there is only a small warning in the corner somewhere saying you need to look at the individual airline's web page to be aware of the fees, and nobody bothers to do that. I will tell you I had a passenger on the other day that said she didn't sympathize with the complainers because if you pay attention, there are no surprises. She knew exactly what she was paying, and loved Spirit for being half of what Delta was.
Yeah I have heard that comment a lot. People that fly us frequently understand the fees. There are some real savvy passengers that feel they were getting a real good value and they keep asking us if we will fly here or there in the near future.
But we are expanding and we are putting people into airplanes that have never flown before. Not many of our passengers roll on with Shakespeare in their hand. Most of them get surprised when Discover jacks their interest up after missing a payment. It just that kind of crowd. But they will learn, and the model is proven. Ryan's market share is around 20% or so in Europe. What I am surprised about is that we are the only ones who are pursuing this model.
In a nation of businesses that look to make an extra dime by competing with each other for the lowest prices LCC are the best Known secret.
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