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#6753
No one is trying to damage your career, and no one on my committee wants to see the airline overstaffed. However, this is a unionized pilot group, and probably was when you came here, right? If you want to work in an environment where it's every man for himself, where you walk all over your fellow pilots in an attempt to fatten your wallet, well, there are airlines like that hiring. Maybe your career would see less "damage" at JB or VA.
#6754
Looks like the Canadians are launching a ULCC.
Jetlines, Canada's new upstart, takes a huge bet that it can execute the ULCC model | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
Some intrigue is surfacing around a new ultra low-cost airline that aims to debut from a base in Vancouver during summer 2014. Modelled after Spirit and the pioneer of the bare-bones business scheme Ryanair, it would arrive just as new carriers created by Canada’s dominant airlines Air Canada and WestJet hit their stride.
Founders of Canada Jetlines have recently been making the rounds among Canada’s media outlets touting their plan to operate Airbus narrowbodies to under-served and little-served markets, appealing to cost-conscious travellers with low base fares and an extensive a la carte menu that could even include a nanny service.
Given Spirit’s solid financial results since its initial public offering in 2011 and Ryanair’s consistent profitability levels, it was only a matter of time before an aspiring ULCC would sprout up in Canada. Of course the challenge is amply executing the theory that the time is ripe for the ultra low-cost model to succeed in Canada. There will also be many across the border watching closely.
Jetlines, Canada's new upstart, takes a huge bet that it can execute the ULCC model | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
Some intrigue is surfacing around a new ultra low-cost airline that aims to debut from a base in Vancouver during summer 2014. Modelled after Spirit and the pioneer of the bare-bones business scheme Ryanair, it would arrive just as new carriers created by Canada’s dominant airlines Air Canada and WestJet hit their stride.
Founders of Canada Jetlines have recently been making the rounds among Canada’s media outlets touting their plan to operate Airbus narrowbodies to under-served and little-served markets, appealing to cost-conscious travellers with low base fares and an extensive a la carte menu that could even include a nanny service.
Given Spirit’s solid financial results since its initial public offering in 2011 and Ryanair’s consistent profitability levels, it was only a matter of time before an aspiring ULCC would sprout up in Canada. Of course the challenge is amply executing the theory that the time is ripe for the ultra low-cost model to succeed in Canada. There will also be many across the border watching closely.
#6755
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The business model works, that's apparent. However, it'll be interesting to see how it works in Canada.
Westjet is patterned after JetBlue, founded with the guidance of JetBlue's founders, yet it's not quite a ULCC. Canadian travel though is a little different, and may benefit from an ULCC, but it'll be tough to see if a third "large" carrier can work in Canada.
Westjet is patterned after JetBlue, founded with the guidance of JetBlue's founders, yet it's not quite a ULCC. Canadian travel though is a little different, and may benefit from an ULCC, but it'll be tough to see if a third "large" carrier can work in Canada.
#6756
The business model works, that's apparent. However, it'll be interesting to see how it works in Canada.
Westjet is patterned after JetBlue, founded with the guidance of JetBlue's founders, yet it's not quite a ULCC. Canadian travel though is a little different, and may benefit from an ULCC, but it'll be tough to see if a third "large" carrier can work in Canada.
Westjet is patterned after JetBlue, founded with the guidance of JetBlue's founders, yet it's not quite a ULCC. Canadian travel though is a little different, and may benefit from an ULCC, but it'll be tough to see if a third "large" carrier can work in Canada.
#6757
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No one is trying to damage your career, and no one on my committee wants to see the airline overstaffed. However, this is a unionized pilot group, and probably was when you came here, right? If you want to work in an environment where it's every man for himself, where you walk all over your fellow pilots in an attempt to fatten your wallet, well, there are airlines like that hiring. Maybe your career would see less "damage" at JB or VA.
#6758
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No one is trying to damage your career, and no one on my committee wants to see the airline overstaffed. However, this is a unionized pilot group, and probably was when you came here, right? If you want to work in an environment where it's every man for himself, where you walk all over your fellow pilots in an attempt to fatten your wallet, well, there are airlines like that hiring. Maybe your career would see less "damage" at JB or VA.
You play the division game by trying to imply that men like me are anti union. WRONG! We're just anti oppressive union. According to many, MANY, Capts I've flown with, the union worked with the company from 1997 until 2008 and in that time accomplished many things, including an almost doubling of the pay scales. Since then, from what I hear (and see) the union functions for nothing more than making sure no line pilot makes more than a union "volunteer".
#6759
This airline was union when we both came here. It was also union back when the union gained 200% pay and when the union gained 150% pay for ALL OT!
You play the division game by trying to imply that men like me are anti union. WRONG! We're just anti oppressive union. According to many, MANY, Capts I've flown with, the union worked with the company from 1997 until 2008 and in that time accomplished many things, including an almost doubling of the pay scales. Since then, from what I hear (and see) the union functions for nothing more than making sure no line pilot makes more than a union "volunteer".
You play the division game by trying to imply that men like me are anti union. WRONG! We're just anti oppressive union. According to many, MANY, Capts I've flown with, the union worked with the company from 1997 until 2008 and in that time accomplished many things, including an almost doubling of the pay scales. Since then, from what I hear (and see) the union functions for nothing more than making sure no line pilot makes more than a union "volunteer".
My point on you volunteering is this...If you believe the MEC or elected LEC reps are not representing the pilot group properly, and you also believe that your opinions regarding our "oppressive" union are true and shared by the majority, why not run for an elected position. You'd surely have a enough votes to get elected, right??
#6760
Whoever ran on the premise of getting rid of the Junior Assignment limits probably would win. I know he'd have my vote 
This is my 4th union airline, and it's the first one that says to the pilots that even if it makes your life better, and you approve, you may not violate the contract. It's madness if you ask me, but it is what it is.
RK

This is my 4th union airline, and it's the first one that says to the pilots that even if it makes your life better, and you approve, you may not violate the contract. It's madness if you ask me, but it is what it is.
RK
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