Spirit of NKS
11-20-2014, 07:35 AM
#8871
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 320
Originally Posted by ovrtake92
Pilots bragging about what airline they work for...now that's funny stuff. Either side. It could flip for anyone tomorrow. I Like to be thankful I work for NK and the outlook is positive. Pride is the erosion of success
11-20-2014, 07:36 AM
#8872
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by RP4242
No, just delayed a tad.
If you went around various OA HDQs into the depths where the real strategy/planning happens you wouldnt find much hate, but there would be a massive consensus that JetBlue has been one of the top strategically misguided companies in this business from a financial standpoint if one excludes VX. The financials prove it, there is no bias in numbers. Frankly, if you're doing the flying 0% of it is your fault and 100% of it lies in a NYC building by the water.
Also, its an average of just over 33 inches not 32. You probably should have that number down, every inch counts when it comes down to CASM...or when you are over 6ft tall
If you went around various OA HDQs into the depths where the real strategy/planning happens you wouldnt find much hate, but there would be a massive consensus that JetBlue has been one of the top strategically misguided companies in this business from a financial standpoint if one excludes VX. The financials prove it, there is no bias in numbers. Frankly, if you're doing the flying 0% of it is your fault and 100% of it lies in a NYC building by the water.
Also, its an average of just over 33 inches not 32. You probably should have that number down, every inch counts when it comes down to CASM...or when you are over 6ft tall
And as mismanaged as it was it still made money
The question is how much can they make if they get everything together?
11-20-2014, 07:57 AM
#8873
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
Originally Posted by pilotpayne
There is no Spirit envy.
I don't understand the JetBlue bashing.
The company needed to change some things and we are doing just that. Some of you Spirit boys forget what goes up can come right back down, your 2 year upgrades won't last forever and things can change and stagnate at anytime. If this works JetBlue will be a much stronger airline and we really will be "following" you into the Carribean. Anyway we are all just pilots, and I am glad you guys are doing well but remember it can all change tomorrow.
Don't pick up those stones just yet.
I don't understand the JetBlue bashing.
The company needed to change some things and we are doing just that. Some of you Spirit boys forget what goes up can come right back down, your 2 year upgrades won't last forever and things can change and stagnate at anytime. If this works JetBlue will be a much stronger airline and we really will be "following" you into the Carribean. Anyway we are all just pilots, and I am glad you guys are doing well but remember it can all change tomorrow.
Don't pick up those stones just yet.
and we are well aware the music can and at some point will stop. Its just funny to see all these airlines do exactly what we are doing after criticizing us for doing it. hypocritical much?Either way I think Jetblue would be stupid for not trying to increase their profits, the question is, what exactly is JetBlues business model? Is it LCC, quasi-legacy?, little bit of both? One thing I admire about Spirit is they know exactly what the model/plan is and that's a good thing, seems like JetBlue is trying to do both, maybe it will work, maybe it won't but it seems they are moving away from what made them so popular to begin with. Of course losing money to "stay true" to your roots doesn't make sense either.............
Last edited by JoeyMeatballs; 11-20-2014 at 08:09 AM.
11-20-2014, 07:58 AM
#8874
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,898
Originally Posted by putzin
Lol, what do you 'think' you took away from the article?
11-20-2014, 08:20 AM
#8875
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
It's not a two year upgrade, it's 2.5 years and we are well aware the music can and at some point will stop. Its just funny to see all these airlines do exactly what we are doing after criticizing us for doing it. hypocritical much?
Either way I think Jetblue would be stupid for not trying to increase their profits, the question is, what exactly is JetBlues business model? Is it LCC, quasi-legacy?, little bit of both? One thing I admire about Spirit is they know exactly what the model/plan is and that's a good thing, seems like JetBlue is trying to do both, maybe it will work, maybe it won't but it seems they are moving away from what made them so popular to begin with. Of course losing money to "stay true" to your roots doesn't make sense either.............
and we are well aware the music can and at some point will stop. Its just funny to see all these airlines do exactly what we are doing after criticizing us for doing it. hypocritical much?Either way I think Jetblue would be stupid for not trying to increase their profits, the question is, what exactly is JetBlues business model? Is it LCC, quasi-legacy?, little bit of both? One thing I admire about Spirit is they know exactly what the model/plan is and that's a good thing, seems like JetBlue is trying to do both, maybe it will work, maybe it won't but it seems they are moving away from what made them so popular to begin with. Of course losing money to "stay true" to your roots doesn't make sense either.............
We are right in the middle.
Not sure if that was the plan but due to the ULCCs coming along it puts us in the middle.
I think we know who we are, we just need to change a few things
adapt or die.
Like I said in the other post we have made money without this but we were weak if this works you will be looking at a much stronger JetBlue who is moving much of its flying to FLL.
That could be a problem for other airlines.
We still have the best Econ section so I guess we will see how it all works.
In the end the passangers will decide.
When we go with charging for drinks, snacks, carry ons, boarding passes, take out the tv's and go with non reclining seats than we will be hyprocritical.
11-20-2014, 08:38 AM
#8876
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A-320
Posts: 784
Spirit is not competing with jet blue for passengers. Or anyone else for that matter, save Allegiant. There's room for both and I believe both will find success. As long as there are different financial classes of flyers, so to will there be a need for both types of airlines.
11-20-2014, 09:20 AM
#8877
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
Originally Posted by pilotpayne
We are right in the middle.
Not sure if that was the plan but due to the ULCCs coming along it puts us in the middle.
I think we know who we are, we just need to change a few things
adapt or die.
Like I said in the other post we have made money without this but we were weak if this works you will be looking at a much stronger JetBlue who is moving much of its flying to FLL.
That could be a problem for other airlines.
We still have the best Econ section so I guess we will see how it all works.
In the end the passangers will decide.
When we go with charging for drinks, snacks, carry ons, boarding passes, take out the tv's and go with non reclining seats than we will be hyprocritical.
Not sure if that was the plan but due to the ULCCs coming along it puts us in the middle.
I think we know who we are, we just need to change a few things
adapt or die.
Like I said in the other post we have made money without this but we were weak if this works you will be looking at a much stronger JetBlue who is moving much of its flying to FLL.
That could be a problem for other airlines.
We still have the best Econ section so I guess we will see how it all works.
In the end the passangers will decide.
When we go with charging for drinks, snacks, carry ons, boarding passes, take out the tv's and go with non reclining seats than we will be hyprocritical.
High density / low density; all inclusive / a la cart. Feels like you're taking a ride on the bi-polar coaster.Have a smurfy day...
11-20-2014, 10:13 AM
#8878
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
I think your management just ran out of room to store all the seats you ripped out of the mint planes High density / low density; all inclusive / a la cart. Feels like you're taking a ride on the bi-polar coaster.
Have a smurfy day...
High density / low density; all inclusive / a la cart. Feels like you're taking a ride on the bi-polar coaster.Have a smurfy day...
I guess we will see.
Must be nice to work for a perfect airline.
11-20-2014, 10:55 AM
#8879
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 123
And as mismanaged as it was it still made money
The question is how much can they make if they get everything together?
The question is how much can they make if they get everything together?
You forgot to point out that absolute profits above a break-even line when not taking into account ratios and percentages in the last few years has been childishly easy for everyone flying this side of a RJ due to capacity discipline installed, especially by the big 4, because of fuel prices. Now that fuel is unraveling and market share is becoming relevant again (not to NK/F9 of course) and the easy profits will be harder and harder to come by as irrational capacity decisions are made yet again.
Again, I think anyone with half a brain will tell you that this is a step in the right direction financially for blue. However, the question remains to be seen if blue can go the distance and start walking there and find some sort of true niche in the market. Id almost argue half of this depends on what SWA does, their choices or lack there of actually could determine which way the pendulum swings.
Like I said in the other post we have made money without this but we were weak if this works you will be looking at a much stronger JetBlue who is moving much of its flying to FLL.
That could be a problem for other airlines.
That could be a problem for other airlines.
Spirit is not competing with jet blue for passengers. Or anyone else for that matter, save Allegiant. There's room for both and I believe both will find success. As long as there are different financial classes of flyers, so to will there be a need for both types of airlines.
11-20-2014, 11:46 AM
#8880
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
So basically cheap gas will once again lead to overcapacity and bankruptcy
Gotta love this industry!
Gotta love this industry!
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