Spirit of NKS
11-20-2014 | 08:20 AM
#8881
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It's not a two year upgrade, it's 2.5 years 
and we are well aware the music can and at some point will stop. Its just funny to see all these airlines do exactly what we are doing after criticizing us for doing it. hypocritical much?
Either way I think Jetblue would be stupid for not trying to increase their profits, the question is, what exactly is JetBlues business model? Is it LCC, quasi-legacy?, little bit of both? One thing I admire about Spirit is they know exactly what the model/plan is and that's a good thing, seems like JetBlue is trying to do both, maybe it will work, maybe it won't but it seems they are moving away from what made them so popular to begin with. Of course losing money to "stay true" to your roots doesn't make sense either.............
and we are well aware the music can and at some point will stop. Its just funny to see all these airlines do exactly what we are doing after criticizing us for doing it. hypocritical much?Either way I think Jetblue would be stupid for not trying to increase their profits, the question is, what exactly is JetBlues business model? Is it LCC, quasi-legacy?, little bit of both? One thing I admire about Spirit is they know exactly what the model/plan is and that's a good thing, seems like JetBlue is trying to do both, maybe it will work, maybe it won't but it seems they are moving away from what made them so popular to begin with. Of course losing money to "stay true" to your roots doesn't make sense either.............
We are right in the middle.
Not sure if that was the plan but due to the ULCCs coming along it puts us in the middle.
I think we know who we are, we just need to change a few things
adapt or die.
Like I said in the other post we have made money without this but we were weak if this works you will be looking at a much stronger JetBlue who is moving much of its flying to FLL.
That could be a problem for other airlines.
We still have the best Econ section so I guess we will see how it all works.
In the end the passangers will decide.
When we go with charging for drinks, snacks, carry ons, boarding passes, take out the tv's and go with non reclining seats than we will be hyprocritical.
11-20-2014 | 08:38 AM
#8882
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Spirit is not competing with jet blue for passengers. Or anyone else for that matter, save Allegiant. There's room for both and I believe both will find success. As long as there are different financial classes of flyers, so to will there be a need for both types of airlines.
11-20-2014 | 09:20 AM
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We are right in the middle.
Not sure if that was the plan but due to the ULCCs coming along it puts us in the middle.
I think we know who we are, we just need to change a few things
adapt or die.
Like I said in the other post we have made money without this but we were weak if this works you will be looking at a much stronger JetBlue who is moving much of its flying to FLL.
That could be a problem for other airlines.
We still have the best Econ section so I guess we will see how it all works.
In the end the passangers will decide.
When we go with charging for drinks, snacks, carry ons, boarding passes, take out the tv's and go with non reclining seats than we will be hyprocritical.
Not sure if that was the plan but due to the ULCCs coming along it puts us in the middle.
I think we know who we are, we just need to change a few things
adapt or die.
Like I said in the other post we have made money without this but we were weak if this works you will be looking at a much stronger JetBlue who is moving much of its flying to FLL.
That could be a problem for other airlines.
We still have the best Econ section so I guess we will see how it all works.
In the end the passangers will decide.
When we go with charging for drinks, snacks, carry ons, boarding passes, take out the tv's and go with non reclining seats than we will be hyprocritical.
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11-20-2014 | 10:13 AM
#8884
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I guess we will see.
Must be nice to work for a perfect airline.
11-20-2014 | 10:55 AM
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And as mismanaged as it was it still made money
The question is how much can they make if they get everything together?
The question is how much can they make if they get everything together?
You forgot to point out that absolute profits above a break-even line when not taking into account ratios and percentages in the last few years has been childishly easy for everyone flying this side of a RJ due to capacity discipline installed, especially by the big 4, because of fuel prices. Now that fuel is unraveling and market share is becoming relevant again (not to NK/F9 of course) and the easy profits will be harder and harder to come by as irrational capacity decisions are made yet again.
Again, I think anyone with half a brain will tell you that this is a step in the right direction financially for blue. However, the question remains to be seen if blue can go the distance and start walking there and find some sort of true niche in the market. Id almost argue half of this depends on what SWA does, their choices or lack there of actually could determine which way the pendulum swings.
Like I said in the other post we have made money without this but we were weak if this works you will be looking at a much stronger JetBlue who is moving much of its flying to FLL.
That could be a problem for other airlines.
That could be a problem for other airlines.
Spirit is not competing with jet blue for passengers. Or anyone else for that matter, save Allegiant. There's room for both and I believe both will find success. As long as there are different financial classes of flyers, so to will there be a need for both types of airlines.
11-20-2014 | 11:46 AM
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So basically cheap gas will once again lead to overcapacity and bankruptcy
Gotta love this industry!
Gotta love this industry!
11-20-2014 | 11:55 AM
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Thats the way its been since 1978
11-20-2014 | 12:20 PM
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A lot of money. However, this is true for just about every carrier with United at the top of the pile.
You forgot to point out that absolute profits above a break-even line when not taking into account ratios and percentages in the last few years has been childishly easy for everyone flying this side of a RJ due to capacity discipline installed, especially by the big 4, because of fuel prices. Now that fuel is unraveling and market share is becoming relevant again (not to NK/F9 of course) and the easy profits will be harder and harder to come by as irrational capacity decisions are made yet again.
Again, I think anyone with half a brain will tell you that this is a step in the right direction financially for blue. However, the question remains to be seen if blue can go the distance and start walking there and find some sort of true niche in the market. Id almost argue half of this depends on what SWA does, their choices or lack there of actually could determine which way the pendulum swings.
Blue flying isnt moving flying to FLL, capacity is just being added there. Big difference.
Not entirely true. We compete with every OA for passengers, its just that the % is not as large as other OAs vs. other OAs. Let me add the disclaimer that with every schedule change that F9 does we are competing more and more with them for exactly the same passenger.
You forgot to point out that absolute profits above a break-even line when not taking into account ratios and percentages in the last few years has been childishly easy for everyone flying this side of a RJ due to capacity discipline installed, especially by the big 4, because of fuel prices. Now that fuel is unraveling and market share is becoming relevant again (not to NK/F9 of course) and the easy profits will be harder and harder to come by as irrational capacity decisions are made yet again.
Again, I think anyone with half a brain will tell you that this is a step in the right direction financially for blue. However, the question remains to be seen if blue can go the distance and start walking there and find some sort of true niche in the market. Id almost argue half of this depends on what SWA does, their choices or lack there of actually could determine which way the pendulum swings.
Blue flying isnt moving flying to FLL, capacity is just being added there. Big difference.
Not entirely true. We compete with every OA for passengers, its just that the % is not as large as other OAs vs. other OAs. Let me add the disclaimer that with every schedule change that F9 does we are competing more and more with them for exactly the same passenger.
Yes adding capacity in Fll....you are correct.
Almost all future growth will be there and a little left for Boston.
11-20-2014 | 12:33 PM
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Ah yes. Forgot about F9. That will be interesting to see in the coming years. Real competition at some point in sure. Crazy industry
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