13 for line holders and 12 for reserve on a 30 day month

 

Stock has rebounded and up 7% today. If the company wants to start with the "guerrilla warfare" tactics come negotiation time, it may hurt their financials.

Baldanza himself owns millions in the stock.

 

I understand that those are the min days outlined in the contract. My point was that that hasn't been the case out in Vegas and it sucks that they are building 12 and 13 day off lines (other than reserve) in other bases. We need to improve upon the daily minimum and min days off for line holders (and reserve line holders for that matter) in our next contract to prevent this from happening in the future.

 

Well I guess if the majority wants to settle for similar rates to these, then this will be all we have to look forward to. The rates in the current CBA are flawed in that the longevity increases are non-linear. Fixing that is important. VX has new rates coming soon, great for them. But do you really see VX as a peer pilot group? We fly the same airplanes yes, but while we are about to have our 3rd CBA become ammendable they are only just trying a 2nd attempt at unionizing. JetBlue is closer, but still working on a 1st CBA. When you consider the growth and profitability of Spirit, and the maturity of our collective bargaining, I think there only 2 peer airlines as we go into negotiations, SWA and Alaska. What do you all think?

 

How about all the FO open time in FLL for Feb..... "Just One"

 

I would vote "no" on Alaska rates as they would leave us too far behind. Don't settle, we're worth more.

And....still voting "no" on the current TA. We shouldn't be doing scare tactics.

 

Yeah, this sucks. Hopefully, some lines will pop up after IOT. Reserves are green the whole month.

 

Always been like that? Not for nothing, but I haven't seen that in the last decade here.

 

For those of you who are curious about the 4 day/ 5 to maximum extent possible, it applies to the original lines built by the company and union. It has nothing to do with training or with transition. Section 25 subsection B(Monthly Bid Package Preperation) g(Regular lines that shall contain).5) "To the maximum extent possible, blocks of five consecutive days off in domicile. In lieu of the above, to the maximum extent possible, no less than four consecutive days off in domicile, except regular lines may contain blocks of less than four consecutive days off in domicile on the first three and last three days of the month. Exceptions to multiple day-off blocks may occur with prior consultation of the Scheduling Committee chairman."
This only applies to building lines, not training or transition. A perfect example is a few months ago I had a 4 day where 3 of the days were carry in, the next month I had a 4 day that started on the 6th, thus 2 days off between sequences. They had to drop the 4 day due to a 29/7 issue, however much it sucked they then put me back on RF days for the entire 4 days dropped. No 4 days off between sequences. Furthermore because NLV= OLV-TD+CI+TA I got hosed even further. The three days at the beginning and end of the month aka transition where the 4 day off rule does not apply has to do with having 1,2,or 3 days off built at the end of every month, otherwise if the language was not there every month would have to begin and end with 4 days off or a trip.

 

Wow, I'm going to have to spend a few hours with that equation, you lost me shortly after the CBA quote. I have no idea what an "RF day" is. You may have found yourself attached to another object by an inclined plane wrapped helically about an axis. All that being said, can someone tell me where the exemption for training is regarding the 5 days off?