Originally Posted by WelcomeToBen

Here's a breakdown of what you would credit under the current training system vs the distance learning LOA. Assuming in both cases the training is scheduled on days off.

Current

3 days ground - 12 hrs
DHD (to/from training @ 50% DHD) - 6 hrs

2 days sim - 8 hrs
DHD (to/from training @ 50% DHD) - estimated 6 hrs

Total = 32 hrs credit

Proposed LOA

2 days distance learning - 10 hrs

1 day recurrent ground - 4 hrs
2 days sim - 8 hrs
DHD (to/from training @ 50% DHD) - estimated 6 hrs

Total = 28 hrs credit

In both of these scenarios, we are assuming that all of the training would be scheduled on days off. However, in the case that training is scheduled over a trip, it is possible (and in fact more likely) that you will credit more under the new LOA as the 10 hrs for distance learning always goes above your line value. In the case that recurrent was scheduled over a trip, you would only be guaranteed the greater of the trip or training event. My captain and I were doing the math and figured out that he would have actually credited more hours under the new LOA for his training event this month than he did under the current system.

If you take the DHDs out of the equation (applicable to FLL and now LAS crews) you actually credit more under the new distance learning agreement.

Originally Posted by JasonLeonard

I knew somebody would beat me to this math. Also it is not just LAS that will be doing ground school in domicile. Its going to be the whole airline, from what was reported. So the DHD pay is going away and you will be on the hook for hotels if you commute. The LOA is not perfect. I'd like to see it perfect. However given the information I have I will be voting yes, but that's just me. In no way shpuld you feel coerced into voting yes or no. Just please for the love of all things good call a rep before you vote.

Originally Posted by lowandslow

And I swear if I hear "back at 9E" one more time at this place...

Originally Posted by WelcomeToBen

It's all laid out in the LOA.

Originally Posted by lowandslow

And I swear if I hear "back at 9E" one more time at this place...

Originally Posted by The Juice

Pretty much everything is in the LOA and the Q&A the MEC sent out yesterday.

Most of us do not like the LOA but read the thing and the Q&A info provided (should have been out a week ago) and then blast away if you want. But read the info first before blasting Jason and how bad the LOA is.

Originally Posted by lowandslow

Sorry really don't even know if you are who you say you are but I'll bite. Why should the onus be on us to call someone before we vote? If all of the facts have been given to us in the emails and the LOA copy we received is an accurate one, what's to discuss with someone who already has decided this is a good deal? I really cannot fathom why you would vote for something based on huge what ifs! Yes it is scare tactics when you're saying that we have to take this $^@& sandwich because if we don't the company will unilaterally enact a worse deal. It would be awesome to see this company try to assemble training centers in 5 domiciles, but I know that's a "mute" point since this thing will pass at >51%.