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01-23-2015, 11:08 AM
#9901
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 166
This tells me everything I need to know.
Q4. If the Company could just implement the EFB/DL anyway, why would they
agree to an LOA with ALPA?
While they can implement both EFB and DL without an LOA, only a subset of
the potential cost savings would be realized.
Q5. Why didn’t we negotiate the EFB LOA separately from the DL LOA?
The Company had nothing to gain by granting additional EFB protections.
Accordingly, they initially refused to negotiate on the subject. Only by
combining the two LOAs into one could we find agreement on the additional
EFB protections.
I refuse to agree to a pay cut. If they want to force things on us fine, but Im not giving them anything without a fight, even if it costs me a couple hundred bucks a year.
If they go down the path they are threatening I expect the union to fight them every step of the way.
Q4. If the Company could just implement the EFB/DL anyway, why would they
agree to an LOA with ALPA?
While they can implement both EFB and DL without an LOA, only a subset of
the potential cost savings would be realized.
Q5. Why didn’t we negotiate the EFB LOA separately from the DL LOA?
The Company had nothing to gain by granting additional EFB protections.
Accordingly, they initially refused to negotiate on the subject. Only by
combining the two LOAs into one could we find agreement on the additional
EFB protections.
I refuse to agree to a pay cut. If they want to force things on us fine, but Im not giving them anything without a fight, even if it costs me a couple hundred bucks a year.
If they go down the path they are threatening I expect the union to fight them every step of the way.
01-23-2015, 11:16 AM
#9902
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,857
I'm hung up on the pay vs the enormous savings that this iPad and DL will give to the company. I just don't see why we don't get the full 18hr paid.
01-23-2015, 01:42 PM
#9903
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
Originally Posted by Sailor
I'm hung up on the pay vs the enormous savings that this iPad and DL will give to the company. I just don't see why we don't get the full 18hr paid.
01-23-2015, 02:00 PM
#9904
Boost is Life
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Position: In the Garage
Posts: 98
Finally got a new login after god knows how many years....
Can I play?
HIT ME!
Can I play?
HIT ME!
01-23-2015, 02:20 PM
#9905
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
Originally Posted by JasonLeonard
Finally got a new login after god knows how many years....
Can I play?
HIT ME!
Can I play?
HIT ME!
Give the DL LOA it's own number, get five hours per day; and rewrite the Protection LOA to where the pilot gets the benefit of the doubt and I'll vote for them.
01-23-2015, 03:10 PM
#9906
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 173
Email from the union states that the EFB protection language is industry standard. Anybody actually compared the protection language to other contracts? I was initially a little concerned about the protection language, but if it is truly industry standard than hopefully it shouldn't be an issue.
01-23-2015, 04:42 PM
#9907
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by Sailor
I'm hung up on the pay vs the enormous savings that this iPad and DL will give to the company. I just don't see why we don't get the full 18hr paid.
NO until there is some give and take. That is a negotiation. Not, "accept this or else". That is an ultimatum.
01-23-2015, 05:09 PM
#9908
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Posts: 4,603
Feel free to vote no as I will be doing but in theory a TA is not a first offer, it represents a back and forth negotiation between the company and the negotiating committee which represents you. To look at all TAs as a "first offer" would be misguided.
01-23-2015, 05:13 PM
#9909
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Posts: 4,603
Originally Posted by WelcomeToBen
Email from the union states that the EFB protection language is industry standard. Anybody actually compared the protection language to other contracts? I was initially a little concerned about the protection language, but if it is truly industry standard than hopefully it shouldn't be an issue.
01-23-2015, 05:23 PM
#9910
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Originally Posted by BrasiliaDriver
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor
I'm hung up on the pay vs the enormous savings that this iPad and DL will give to the company. I just don't see why we don't get the full 18hr paid.
This is where I am coming from. This is supposed to be a negotiation. Why should we accept the first deal brought forward? We know that the company will probably never pay all 18 hours, but they may meet us somewhere in the middle and we may be successful in further defining Fair Market Value so that it is not so ambiguous and one sided. If that means we have to reject the LOA in order to bring it back to the table then that is what we should do.
NO until there is some give and take. That is a negotiation. Not, "accept this or else". That is an ultimatum.
Originally Posted by Sailor
I'm hung up on the pay vs the enormous savings that this iPad and DL will give to the company. I just don't see why we don't get the full 18hr paid.
This is where I am coming from. This is supposed to be a negotiation. Why should we accept the first deal brought forward? We know that the company will probably never pay all 18 hours, but they may meet us somewhere in the middle and we may be successful in further defining Fair Market Value so that it is not so ambiguous and one sided. If that means we have to reject the LOA in order to bring it back to the table then that is what we should do.
NO until there is some give and take. That is a negotiation. Not, "accept this or else". That is an ultimatum.
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