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#9961
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2006
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Just so I understand why this is such a big deal. Once a year my training month will start with 72 + 10 hours of extra pay and what ever days off my line award started with. If I bid a reserve line and they currently put my training on reserve days, I still only get 72 hours. I guess I don't see the big problem.
#9962
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2009
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From: Airplane
Look. I need all the cash I can get, LOA or not!!
#9965
Funny you should burn up some tires. We are protected on the job for any aircraft damage ( or any company property for that matter ). Why do we need a LOA that now requires a police report to prevent the company from charging us? This LOA actually removes a protection that already exists in the CBA.
They will actually make money from these pads. They buy wholesale but charge us retail 3 years later.
This sure isn't 'industry standard' without a sim card for data. Good luck finding a WIFI signal at the airport. Come in 2 hrs early to download your Jepp revision at 1 mgps speed.
This LOA single handedly provides the biggest financial gift to the company since Contract 2010. My vote is a big fat NO.
As far as Im concerned: work is work, money is money. They want to threaten pulling us into base to read out 10 inch pads? Bring it on!
They will actually make money from these pads. They buy wholesale but charge us retail 3 years later.
This sure isn't 'industry standard' without a sim card for data. Good luck finding a WIFI signal at the airport. Come in 2 hrs early to download your Jepp revision at 1 mgps speed.
This LOA single handedly provides the biggest financial gift to the company since Contract 2010. My vote is a big fat NO.
As far as Im concerned: work is work, money is money. They want to threaten pulling us into base to read out 10 inch pads? Bring it on!
#9966
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2010
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It's about days off and efficiency gained by the company and us only getting 2 extra hours for that give to the company.
I'm assuming those of you that are not captains want to be captains some day. Ever been 10 away from upgrade for 5 years on a stagnant list or furloughed by one class?
You don't vote to reduce staffing. That affects everyone's relative seniority and is therefore a concession for the entire pilot group.
Remember this argument when pbs come up and everyone is arguing about sophomoric issues like vacation touch or transition conflict. ITs A STAFFING PROGRAM IN THE SIMPLEST TERMS!! Vacation, transition, and training are the big three on the pbs hit list and some of you are willing to sell them one of them for a measly 2 hours. What a joke
I'm assuming those of you that are not captains want to be captains some day. Ever been 10 away from upgrade for 5 years on a stagnant list or furloughed by one class?
You don't vote to reduce staffing. That affects everyone's relative seniority and is therefore a concession for the entire pilot group.
Remember this argument when pbs come up and everyone is arguing about sophomoric issues like vacation touch or transition conflict. ITs A STAFFING PROGRAM IN THE SIMPLEST TERMS!! Vacation, transition, and training are the big three on the pbs hit list and some of you are willing to sell them one of them for a measly 2 hours. What a joke
#9967
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Banned
Joined: Oct 2008
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I mostly disagree with lemonade, but no this time.
iPad = work tool no LOAs , just legitimately take care of it, but as a tool they are responsible for it. (And I can care less about the whatever free gigabyte the leave for me, not my iPad)
DL = change to our contract, LOA, I still think, considering their tremendous saving and gains, they should increase the pay per training day, after all I'll be doing this on my days OFF or during my REQUIRED rest in my overnights.
Still a NO for me.
iPad = work tool no LOAs , just legitimately take care of it, but as a tool they are responsible for it. (And I can care less about the whatever free gigabyte the leave for me, not my iPad)
DL = change to our contract, LOA, I still think, considering their tremendous saving and gains, they should increase the pay per training day, after all I'll be doing this on my days OFF or during my REQUIRED rest in my overnights.
Still a NO for me.
#9968
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 492
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From: 319/320/321...whatever it takes.
Holy negative caster, Batman!
#9969
This LOA is brought to you by the same Negotiator who said, "this company will never go public, and even if they did we wouldnt want their *#%}#]**} stock anyway"
SAVE IPO Price - $12
SAVE today - $78.39
Do you trust their judgement for the next contract, that is the question? Yes?, vote yes! No?, vote NO!
How are those stock options working out for you?
SAVE IPO Price - $12
SAVE today - $78.39
Do you trust their judgement for the next contract, that is the question? Yes?, vote yes! No?, vote NO!
How are those stock options working out for you?
#9970
At some point someone is gonna ask the question "what if we vote no?" 1-One possible outcome is they could continue to do things the way they have always done. 2- Or we could re-negotiate the TA and perhaps get a better offer. 3-Or they could possibly designate each crew room/ other rented room as a training site and make us come to our domicile to do the training. I personally don't think option 1 is likely whatsoever. 2- it's possible, but from managements perspective, they have already offered us a deal better than any other airline gets. I'm not sure if they would budge. Is it worth a shot? Perhaps. Option 3 is possible I suppose. If I were in management that's what I would do. It will be cheaper than flying everyone down to FLL and paying for hotels and dropped trips. I don't think this is a "Scare Tactic". I think it is a valid answer to a good question.
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