Spirit of NKS
01-24-2015 | 09:26 PM
#9991
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The main reason why the company wants this LOA is because pilots will have to do their DL on their off time, not on company time.
144 aircraft by 2021, say 2500 pilots. 2 days of DL not on duty vs 2 days of DL in a crew room, on duty, is 5000 days a year of lost productivity from your workforce where we are not moving planes and someone needs to move those planes.
Say the average pilot works 180 days of duty a year 5000/180= 28 pilots a year. So my math shows they need 28 pilots less a year just on savings for us doing it off the clock. This is a minimum, doesn't account for any conflict drops of any kind.
28 pilots will be 1st year FO pay pilots. Even on guarantee thats a million a year in savings just on wages, not counting healthcare, social security taxes, training, etc.
144 aircraft by 2021, say 2500 pilots. 2 days of DL not on duty vs 2 days of DL in a crew room, on duty, is 5000 days a year of lost productivity from your workforce where we are not moving planes and someone needs to move those planes.
Say the average pilot works 180 days of duty a year 5000/180= 28 pilots a year. So my math shows they need 28 pilots less a year just on savings for us doing it off the clock. This is a minimum, doesn't account for any conflict drops of any kind.
28 pilots will be 1st year FO pay pilots. Even on guarantee thats a million a year in savings just on wages, not counting healthcare, social security taxes, training, etc.
01-24-2015 | 10:28 PM
#9992
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Funny you should burn up some tires. We are protected on the job for any aircraft damage ( or any company property for that matter ). Why do we need a LOA that now requires a police report to prevent the company from charging us? This LOA actually removes a protection that already exists in the CBA.
They will actually make money from these pads. They buy wholesale but charge us retail 3 years later.
This sure isn't 'industry standard' without a sim card for data. Good luck finding a WIFI signal at the airport. Come in 2 hrs early to download your Jepp revision at 1 mgps speed.
This LOA single handedly provides the biggest financial gift to the company since Contract 2010. My vote is a big fat NO.
As far as Im concerned: work is work, money is money. They want to threaten pulling us into base to read out 10 inch pads? Bring it on!
They will actually make money from these pads. They buy wholesale but charge us retail 3 years later.
This sure isn't 'industry standard' without a sim card for data. Good luck finding a WIFI signal at the airport. Come in 2 hrs early to download your Jepp revision at 1 mgps speed.
This LOA single handedly provides the biggest financial gift to the company since Contract 2010. My vote is a big fat NO.
As far as Im concerned: work is work, money is money. They want to threaten pulling us into base to read out 10 inch pads? Bring it on!
Also, the notion that this is the first offer the company has presented to us is just ridiculous. This is obviously the result of a back and forth between the NC in the company. I can guarantee you that this is not the initial offer that the company presented the NC with.
Last edited by WelcomeToBen; 01-24-2015 at 10:41 PM.
01-25-2015 | 02:31 AM
#9993
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2008
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As far as trip conflict is concerned, here's what I think. Please correct me if I am wrong.
They are planning a 3 days training event. Most lines only have 4 days off between trips, which mean that no matter what it will be next to a scheduled trip. I dont know about you, but my lines rarely have just a 3 days event. In other words 4 days off, 3 days on, then 4 days off. (Unless you are senior enough to bid a 20 days off line).
So 3 days of training will most likely be next a 4,5 or 6 days trip.
I see that they will actually have a lot of trip conflicts.
Am I missing something ?
They are planning a 3 days training event. Most lines only have 4 days off between trips, which mean that no matter what it will be next to a scheduled trip. I dont know about you, but my lines rarely have just a 3 days event. In other words 4 days off, 3 days on, then 4 days off. (Unless you are senior enough to bid a 20 days off line).
So 3 days of training will most likely be next a 4,5 or 6 days trip.
I see that they will actually have a lot of trip conflicts.
Am I missing something ?
01-25-2015 | 03:33 AM
#9994
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Spirit of NKS
Here's to you FO still sporting the gold bars. That kind of boldness really lets us all know you're and Alpha male who don't give a sht! Show em who's boss!
01-25-2015 | 03:41 AM
#9995
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined: Dec 2007
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As far as trip conflict is concerned, here's what I think. Please correct me if I am wrong.
They are planning a 3 days training event. Most lines only have 4 days off between trips, which mean that no matter what it will be next to a scheduled trip. I dont know about you, but my lines rarely have just a 3 days event. In other words 4 days off, 3 days on, then 4 days off. (Unless you are senior enough to bid a 20 days off line).
So 3 days of training will most likely be next a 4,5 or 6 days trip.
I see that they will actually have a lot of trip conflicts.
Am I missing something ?
They are planning a 3 days training event. Most lines only have 4 days off between trips, which mean that no matter what it will be next to a scheduled trip. I dont know about you, but my lines rarely have just a 3 days event. In other words 4 days off, 3 days on, then 4 days off. (Unless you are senior enough to bid a 20 days off line).
So 3 days of training will most likely be next a 4,5 or 6 days trip.
I see that they will actually have a lot of trip conflicts.
Am I missing something ?
PCs can still have conflicts with the 3 day event, and if done in your base wouldn't require travel so the footprint is 3 days. So if they add it next to a 4 day, you could. But because we don't actually see the sim dates we bid on, they can just add the 3 days to any trip sequence after a 3 day or less and there won't be a conflict
Conflicts are done as we know them for training, LOA or not.
01-25-2015 | 06:14 AM
#9997
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Joined: Oct 2007
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From: A320 captain
Was he sporting the hat too?
01-25-2015 | 06:38 AM
#9998
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From: A-320 Series
What is wrong with the company saving money by making training more efficient? The company does not "owe" us because they are saving money. That is their right. They "owe" us because we are the professionals that we are, and they are making industry-leading profits. We will get paid 5 hours per day, have to go to training just once per GS/PT/PC cycle, and not have to lug around Jeps and do revisions. They could just make us do 8 hours of home study right now for 4 hours per day pay per the contract. If we want something for this, do so at the upcoming contract negotiations. Just my $0.02.
01-25-2015 | 07:05 AM
#9999
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From: A320 CA
What is wrong with the company saving money by making training more efficient? The company does not "owe" us because they are saving money. That is their right. They "owe" us because we are the professionals that we are, and they are making industry-leading profits. We will get paid 5 hours per day, have to go to training just once per GS/PT/PC cycle, and not have to lug around Jeps and do revisions. They could just make us do 8 hours of home study right now for 4 hours per day pay per the contract. If we want something for this, do so at the upcoming contract negotiations. Just my $0.02.
Lolololololol. You must be new here. This company cares about one thing: money for executives. They do everything they can to rip off its employees and customers. They have no interest in negotiating with labor in good faith. They will drag out C2015 for years and this Union with grow tired and intimidate this pilot group into accepting a marginal TA.
So, I don't "owe" them anything either. This is a way to take away our training conflicts and make us more efficient. Good for them. They're going to have to pay big coin for me to say yes. Welcome to Spirit.
01-25-2015 | 07:07 AM
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From: A320 Left
What is wrong with the company saving money by making training more efficient? The company does not "owe" us because they are saving money. That is their right. They "owe" us because we are the professionals that we are, and they are making industry-leading profits. We will get paid 5 hours per day, have to go to training just once per GS/PT/PC cycle, and not have to lug around Jeps and do revisions. They could just make us do 8 hours of home study right now for 4 hours per day pay per the contract. If we want something for this, do so at the upcoming contract negotiations. Just my $0.02.
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