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03-17-2015 | 08:52 AM
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Yeah, I'm not too sure about auto bidding software. Not saying auto bidding software isn't being used, but why?
The trip in question is one that would've sat in open time for quite awhile normally. It's also on the FO side, so there isn't the huge rush on open time trips, especially redeyes, like there is on the CA side. Probably a delay like Sandlapper said, because the FO that is now in that pairing is pretty junior and probably wouldn't be able to bid into a transition conflict.
Looks like it comes down to a little bit of luck, but nothing nefarious.
Also, I had FLICA up and was looking at open time when I received the FLICA alert, so somehow I missed the trip being posted. Again, I wouldn't have picked up the trip myself, but maybe I am realizing FLICA alerts are fairly useless.
The trip in question is one that would've sat in open time for quite awhile normally. It's also on the FO side, so there isn't the huge rush on open time trips, especially redeyes, like there is on the CA side. Probably a delay like Sandlapper said, because the FO that is now in that pairing is pretty junior and probably wouldn't be able to bid into a transition conflict.
Looks like it comes down to a little bit of luck, but nothing nefarious.
Also, I had FLICA up and was looking at open time when I received the FLICA alert, so somehow I missed the trip being posted. Again, I wouldn't have picked up the trip myself, but maybe I am realizing FLICA alerts are fairly useless.
03-17-2015 | 09:26 AM
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Have you ever seen those ebay auto bidders. Same concept.
This was being done on Flica with JetBlue. Also SWA has had issues with some pilots doing a similar thing.
It's not that hard if someone knows how to write code.
03-17-2015 | 09:30 AM
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Simple. If you want to pick up, for example, BOG turns from the 20-24, you just set those parameters and as soon as the trip opens up, it automatically bids it for you.
Have you ever seen those ebay auto bidders. Same concept.
This was being done on Flica with JetBlue. Also SWA has had issues with some pilots doing a similar thing.
It's not that hard if someone knows how to write code.
Have you ever seen those ebay auto bidders. Same concept.
This was being done on Flica with JetBlue. Also SWA has had issues with some pilots doing a similar thing.
It's not that hard if someone knows how to write code.
Plus, who would auto bid a redeye to IAG?
03-17-2015 | 10:15 AM
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03-17-2015 | 10:24 AM
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If you think it was done incorrectly, contact your reps.
I'm going to recommend a DOT log published every evening (like what we currently have with IOT).
Shouldn't be too hard to have that be an automated process published at midnight
03-17-2015 | 10:52 AM
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No, I don't think there was anything wrong with it. I'm just surprised I didn't see it. I'm sure it's legit.
03-17-2015 | 03:18 PM
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Not chucking spears but its like Navy vs Air Force regs. One tells you what you can't do and the other tells you what you can.
I can easily argue that autobidding is an unfair advantage since its not readily available to all. Just like I'm sure bribing schedulers is not illegal per the contract but most definately frowned upon.
03-17-2015 | 04:25 PM
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I have been at Spirit for 8 years and I can tell you the only thing consistent with Spirit, is that they get smarter in saving money in terms of payroll. I remember years ago getting a JRM 3 days in advance and each year the money making opportunities became less and less with the exception of few, aka Carparo and Haynes. The latest grievance filed just accelerated what was eventually gonna happen. No more dealing making and no more crazy credit months. The bigger Spirit gets the more investors want to know about "wages paid" and "expected wages paid". Also the chances of Spirit hiring more schedulers to accomodate pilots calling in to request trips inside of 48 hours wasn't ever gonna happen. The moral of the story is this: The bigger we get, the more we gotta adapt to change as long as our CBA is followed 100%.
03-17-2015 | 05:34 PM
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May not be against the contract but It's definetly against, the spirit of the contract.
Not chucking spears but its like Navy vs Air Force regs. One tells you what you can't do and the other tells you what you can.
I can easily argue that autobidding is an unfair advantage since its not readily available to all. Just like I'm sure bribing schedulers is not illegal per the contract but most definately frowned upon.
Not chucking spears but its like Navy vs Air Force regs. One tells you what you can't do and the other tells you what you can.
I can easily argue that autobidding is an unfair advantage since its not readily available to all. Just like I'm sure bribing schedulers is not illegal per the contract but most definately frowned upon.
03-17-2015 | 08:53 PM
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Looks like it was picked up fast by J-C.D. as CA. C.R. as the FO. Don't know when either of them were assigned.
If you think it was done incorrectly, contact your reps.
I'm going to recommend a DOT log published every evening (like what we currently have with IOT).
Shouldn't be too hard to have that be an automated process published at midnight
If you think it was done incorrectly, contact your reps.
I'm going to recommend a DOT log published every evening (like what we currently have with IOT).
Shouldn't be too hard to have that be an automated process published at midnight
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