Spirit of NKS
01-17-2015 | 10:04 AM
#9632
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Honestly, it's a really good thing upgrade is going up. It means we will have a more well rounded contract. People would probably disregard a lot of aspects in the contract because, "who cares, I'll be a Ca" etc.....
01-17-2015 | 11:12 AM
#9634
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They are definitely doing this at the job fair. They are definitely telling the ground instructor prospects this when the go looking at Embry-Riddle. "come teach our ground school for 2 years. Then you go straight to the line without having to work at the regionals. Upgrade is 2.5 years."
I guess they aren't lying, but it's not going to stay at 2.5 years.
I'm planning on 6 years to upgrade - so 5 more years to go for me.
Anyone get the wierd feeling you're missing something by not writing in the aircraft maintenance log if nothing needs to be written up on the planes with the new AML?
I guess they aren't lying, but it's not going to stay at 2.5 years.
I'm planning on 6 years to upgrade - so 5 more years to go for me.
Anyone get the wierd feeling you're missing something by not writing in the aircraft maintenance log if nothing needs to be written up on the planes with the new AML?
Unless we do something really dumb, like allow PBS on the property.
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01-17-2015 | 01:50 PM
#9636
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Can you explain how you come to the 5.5 year figure?
01-17-2015 | 01:59 PM
#9637
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From: Under the Frog
It's a great way to unwind from the never-ending duties us Guard Police face every day. You have no idea how stressful that job is.
Sometimes the line is so long, we just don't have time to put on our Grammar Nazi uniform before taking to the skies once again. But today is Saturday, and the line was short.
01-17-2015 | 02:21 PM
#9638
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Yes, but to be fair, only after we've had our turn with yer mom. As loose as she is, we don't have any time to lose once we land.
It's a great way to unwind from the never-ending duties us Guard Police face every day. You have no idea how stressful that job is.
Sometimes the line is so long, we just don't have time to put on our Grammar Nazi uniform before taking to the skies once again. But today is Saturday, and the line was short.
It's a great way to unwind from the never-ending duties us Guard Police face every day. You have no idea how stressful that job is.
Sometimes the line is so long, we just don't have time to put on our Grammar Nazi uniform before taking to the skies once again. But today is Saturday, and the line was short.
My mom has been dead for years, ergo, you are one sick m0ther effer.
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01-17-2015 | 02:32 PM
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I wouldn't think it would take 5.5 years, but probably a pretty close and realistic guess for guys getting on now.
5 years takes us to 2020 and 130 aircraft
Figure 8.5 (estimate) CAs per plane (staffing always higher on the CA side vs FO side) 130 airplanes at 8.5 is 1105. Add in say 100 retirements and FO lifers bypassing upgrade, medical leave etc...gives us 1205. Pilots getting hired now are going to be close, if not already in the pipeline, for that 1205 number. 5 years. Now if we have a mass exodus that number will change...all estimates.
I figure I will need aprox 90 aircraft on property to see an upgrade and I have been here 15 months. 90 aircraft takes us to a mid to late 2016 upgrade date. So, im planning on 3 years, maybe a little less. But life happens when making plans, its the airline industry and its littered with the dashed hopes of upgrades.
5 years takes us to 2020 and 130 aircraft
Figure 8.5 (estimate) CAs per plane (staffing always higher on the CA side vs FO side) 130 airplanes at 8.5 is 1105. Add in say 100 retirements and FO lifers bypassing upgrade, medical leave etc...gives us 1205. Pilots getting hired now are going to be close, if not already in the pipeline, for that 1205 number. 5 years. Now if we have a mass exodus that number will change...all estimates.
I figure I will need aprox 90 aircraft on property to see an upgrade and I have been here 15 months. 90 aircraft takes us to a mid to late 2016 upgrade date. So, im planning on 3 years, maybe a little less. But life happens when making plans, its the airline industry and its littered with the dashed hopes of upgrades.
01-17-2015 | 05:04 PM
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I wouldn't think it would take 5.5 years, but probably a pretty close and realistic guess for guys getting on now.
5 years takes us to 2020 and 130 aircraft
Figure 8.5 (estimate) CAs per plane (staffing always higher on the CA side vs FO side) 130 airplanes at 8.5 is 1105. Add in say 100 retirements and FO lifers bypassing upgrade, medical leave etc...gives us 1205. Pilots getting hired now are going to be close, if not already in the pipeline, for that 1205 number. 5 years. Now if we have a mass exodus that number will change...all estimates.
I figure I will need aprox 90 aircraft on property to see an upgrade and I have been here 15 months. 90 aircraft takes us to a mid to late 2016 upgrade date. So, im planning on 3 years, maybe a little less. But life happens when making plans, its the airline industry and its littered with the dashed hopes of upgrades.
5 years takes us to 2020 and 130 aircraft
Figure 8.5 (estimate) CAs per plane (staffing always higher on the CA side vs FO side) 130 airplanes at 8.5 is 1105. Add in say 100 retirements and FO lifers bypassing upgrade, medical leave etc...gives us 1205. Pilots getting hired now are going to be close, if not already in the pipeline, for that 1205 number. 5 years. Now if we have a mass exodus that number will change...all estimates.
I figure I will need aprox 90 aircraft on property to see an upgrade and I have been here 15 months. 90 aircraft takes us to a mid to late 2016 upgrade date. So, im planning on 3 years, maybe a little less. But life happens when making plans, its the airline industry and its littered with the dashed hopes of upgrades.
Thanks. I just want to explain it logically etc
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