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01-24-2015 | 05:55 AM
#9931
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From: A320 CA
Isn't it a moo point? Ya know like a cows opinion, it doesn't matter.
01-24-2015 | 05:55 AM
#9932
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From: A320HD
And I swear if I hear "back at 9E" one more time at this place...
01-24-2015 | 06:50 AM
#9936
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From: A320
Pretty much everything is in the LOA and the Q&A the MEC sent out yesterday.
Most of us do not like the LOA but read the thing and the Q&A info provided (should have been out a week ago) and then blast away if you want. But read the info first before blasting Jason and how bad the LOA is.
Most of us do not like the LOA but read the thing and the Q&A info provided (should have been out a week ago) and then blast away if you want. But read the info first before blasting Jason and how bad the LOA is.
Some of you must really want that iPad real real bad.
01-24-2015 | 06:53 AM
#9937
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From: A320
Sorry really don't even know if you are who you say you are but I'll bite. Why should the onus be on us to call someone before we vote? If all of the facts have been given to us in the emails and the LOA copy we received is an accurate one, what's to discuss with someone who already has decided this is a good deal? I really cannot fathom why you would vote for something based on huge what ifs! Yes it is scare tactics when you're saying that we have to take this $^@& sandwich because if we don't the company will unilaterally enact a worse deal. It would be awesome to see this company try to assemble training centers in 5 domiciles, but I know that's a "mute" point since this thing will pass at >51%.
01-24-2015 | 07:11 AM
#9938
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From: A320 captain
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think the math may be wrong here....
Deadheading to/from training is credited at 50%, but a dh to/from recurrent ground will be scheduled the day before and home the day after, both of which will be a duty day and credit 4:30, as will each day in the classroom (away from domicile). And the dh down is probably scheduled to arrive FLL more than 22 hours prior to the start of class, may be the same case for the dh home too. So you have a 5 day pairing with at least one greater than 22 hr layover, so its probably a 27 hour credit pairing. Am I wrong?
Here's a breakdown of what you would credit under the current training system vs the distance learning LOA. Assuming in both cases the training is scheduled on days off.
Current
3 days ground - 12 hrs
DHD (to/from training @ 50% DHD) - 6 hrs
2 days sim - 8 hrs
DHD (to/from training @ 50% DHD) - estimated 6 hrs
Total = 32 hrs credit
.
Current
3 days ground - 12 hrs
DHD (to/from training @ 50% DHD) - 6 hrs
2 days sim - 8 hrs
DHD (to/from training @ 50% DHD) - estimated 6 hrs
Total = 32 hrs credit
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01-24-2015 | 07:30 AM
#9939
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From: Airplane
Help me to understand, is the sticking point in this the deadhead pay? It sounds like that appears to be the biggest problem people are having, the loss of deadhead pay.
Just trying to form my opinion and vote.
Just trying to form my opinion and vote.
01-24-2015 | 08:55 AM
#9940
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From: A320 CA
The sticking point is that it is a concessionary agreement. Every training month after year 1 one since I've been here has been a windfall. Always greater than 95 hours of credit; greater than 110 being most common. It's a pay cut. BTW let's multiply the credit hours for the home study with our pay rates and reprint that pretty chart in the FAQ document.
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