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08-27-2015, 09:26 PM
#882
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 218
Originally Posted by gringo
. . . the pointless mind-numbing 10 hour days during the first two weeks of indoc, the panel trainer and sim sessions are pretty good.
But indoc? It flat out sucked. One of the worst I've been through. Luckily it's only two weeks long...
But indoc? It flat out sucked. One of the worst I've been through. Luckily it's only two weeks long...
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I agree, the ground portion of initial training is purely box checking. It's not exactly "training". I think most here have experienced better. The SIM portion of training is good . . .
Originally Posted by gringo
. . . the most stressful and unpleasant ground school experience I've ever slogged through. The 10 hour days were (still are) a wasted effort; anything after 4pm was in one ear and out the other, which was too bad, because there was good information there for cargo and military guys with little to no prior passenger operation experience. There was no time to decompress, no time to build camaraderie with the rest of your class, no time to study for the next day; you were simply wiped out each day coming back from the schoolhouse. ESPECIALLY if you relied on hotel transportation for a ride. I can't remember how many times we were still waiting nearly an hour after class for pickup. . . .
Spirit Facts
- Ground training is taught by guys who've NEVER flown the aircraft
- Ground training is taught by guys who've NEVER flown for an airline
- Ground training is taught by guys who've NEVER flown a jet
- 99% of Captains @ Spirit have more Airbus time than the entire ground training department AND the entire Flight Ops department . . . combined
- FTD's and sims are taught by line pilots on the seniority list
08-28-2015, 05:41 AM
#883
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 775
Ever been trained at FSI? It's safe to say almost 99% of there instructors have NEVER touch the aircraft they train. FSI is the premium sim training company in the world. I know most if not all airlines use instructors that have never flown the aircraft. Surprise!
08-28-2015, 06:54 AM
#884
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: A-320 Series
Posts: 145
Originally Posted by NedsKid
Ground training is bad, FTD's and sims are pretty good. Hmm . . . I wonder why?
Spirit Facts
Spirit Facts
- Ground training is taught by guys who've NEVER flown the aircraft
- Ground training is taught by guys who've NEVER flown for an airline
- Ground training is taught by guys who've NEVER flown a jet
- 99% of Captains @ Spirit have more Airbus time than the entire ground training department AND the entire Flight Ops department . . . combined
- FTD's and sims are taught by line pilots on the seniority list
08-28-2015, 10:20 AM
#885
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Joined APC: Jun 2005
Position: Under the Frog
Posts: 1,125
Originally Posted by NedsKid
Ground training is bad, FTD's and sims are pretty good. Hmm . . . I wonder why?
Spirit Facts
Spirit Facts
- Ground training is taught by guys who've NEVER flown the aircraft
- Ground training is taught by guys who've NEVER flown for an airline
- Ground training is taught by guys who've NEVER flown a jet
- 99% of Captains @ Spirit have more Airbus time than the entire ground training department AND the entire Flight Ops department . . . combined
- FTD's and sims are taught by line pilots on the seniority list
At least, mine did.
No, the real issue with the indoc remains that it's an absurdly long day, 10 hours (11-12 with hotel transportation factored in), a lousy hotel completely unsuitable for any stay longer than 3 days, no laundry, no affordable eating establishments within a quick walking distance, zero time to decompress or study, just non-stop firehose for two solid weeks.
We're not a an entry-level regional job; this is supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not the most stressful two weeks of your aviation career.
08-28-2015, 11:15 AM
#886
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 218
Originally Posted by gringo
No, the real issue with the indoc remains that it's an absurdly long day, 10 hours (11-12 with hotel transportation factored in), a lousy hotel completely unsuitable for any stay longer than 3 days, no laundry, no affordable eating establishments within a quick walking distance, zero time to decompress or study, just non-stop firehose for two solid weeks.
We're not a an entry-level regional job; this is supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not the most stressful two weeks of your aviation career.
We're not a an entry-level regional job; this is supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not the most stressful two weeks of your aviation career.
I've got nothing against the guys as individual people, but I'm not going to give an 'atta-boy' to the system they work within, and that they continue to nurture and support. Spirit ALPA is the line pilots - we can change our leadership if we want. The training department and the way they treat new-hires COULD change . . . they just don't want to.
08-28-2015, 01:42 PM
#887
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Switch, Lever & Light Specialist
Posts: 1,065
Originally Posted by gringo
The EmbryO's aren't the issue. Most of them are fine, if not a bit unappreciative of the incredible shortcut they all just scored. If you ask them a line operations question they don't know, they'll get back to you with an answer. Their systems knowledge is commendable.
At least, mine did.
No, the real issue with the indoc remains that it's an absurdly long day, 10 hours (11-12 with hotel transportation factored in), a lousy hotel completely unsuitable for any stay longer than 3 days, no laundry, no affordable eating establishments within a quick walking distance, zero time to decompress or study, just non-stop firehose for two solid weeks.
We're not a an entry-level regional job; this is supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not the most stressful two weeks of your aviation career.
At least, mine did.
No, the real issue with the indoc remains that it's an absurdly long day, 10 hours (11-12 with hotel transportation factored in), a lousy hotel completely unsuitable for any stay longer than 3 days, no laundry, no affordable eating establishments within a quick walking distance, zero time to decompress or study, just non-stop firehose for two solid weeks.
We're not a an entry-level regional job; this is supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not the most stressful two weeks of your aviation career.
08-28-2015, 03:41 PM
#888
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 100
08-28-2015, 05:32 PM
#889
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 285
Originally Posted by Cruise
Yep, agreed!
The transportation issue was horrible, best to hook up with someone with a car or just bring your own if possible.
This place pats itself on the back because it thinks it has excellent training, the only thing real about it is it is designed to get a pilot through as fast and cheaply as possible.
AQP would be great, but this place would have to fire 50% of the box checkers and get guys that want to follow AQP and train to proficiency.
08-28-2015, 05:38 PM
#890
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Posts: 285
"Ever been trained at FSI? It's safe to say almost 99% of there instructors have NEVER touch the aircraft they train. FSI is the premium sim training company in the world. I know most if not all airlines use instructors that have never flown the aircraft. Surprise!"
I have been to FSI and found it was a very professional and extremely organized experience. Many of the instructors I had contact with had a vast amount of experience so it didn't matter if they had never flown the airplane they were teaching.
They never rushed you and I always felt prepared.
I have been to FSI and found it was a very professional and extremely organized experience. Many of the instructors I had contact with had a vast amount of experience so it didn't matter if they had never flown the airplane they were teaching.
They never rushed you and I always felt prepared.
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