Spirit of NKS, Part II
#2681
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I want Ackerman gone.
No Quid, we allowed contract relief for nothing.
We are starting section 6 which should have been started MONTHS ago but this pathetic MEC wasted our time with "concentrated, focused negotiations"
We just got jerked 0ff by the company and we didn't even finish.
What a sad sad state of affairs
No Quid, we allowed contract relief for nothing.
We are starting section 6 which should have been started MONTHS ago but this pathetic MEC wasted our time with "concentrated, focused negotiations"
We just got jerked 0ff by the company and we didn't even finish.
What a sad sad state of affairs
#2682
I want Ackerman gone.
No Quid, we allowed contract relief for nothing.
We are starting section 6 which should have been started MONTHS ago but this pathetic MEC wasted our time with "concentrated, focused negotiations"
We just got jerked 0ff by the company and we didn't even finish.
What a sad sad state of affairs
No Quid, we allowed contract relief for nothing.
We are starting section 6 which should have been started MONTHS ago but this pathetic MEC wasted our time with "concentrated, focused negotiations"
We just got jerked 0ff by the company and we didn't even finish.
What a sad sad state of affairs
#2683
I want JA gone too. He is naive and incompetent. This clown still thinks "quid" can be obtained in negotiations. Give me a fornicating break.
#2684
All you Internet chest pumpers need to man up and start going to Job fairs. If you say your going to leave, please give it your best effort.
#2685
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Joined: Dec 2010
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From: A320 Left
When you can tell me one person who was involuntarily effected by the "quid" then maybe I'll change my mind. But the fact is the the relief was voluntary, and anyone affected did so at their own choice. If Ackerman had not included the option to the pilots I would be with the dissenters. But the fact is everyone had the option to deny anything the violated the contract. They can't complain if they allowed a violation.
All you Internet chest pumpers need to man up and start going to Job fairs. If you say your going to leave, please give it your best effort.
All you Internet chest pumpers need to man up and start going to Job fairs. If you say your going to leave, please give it your best effort.
So how were any pilots negatively affected? Well for one, the incompetent management that allowed the meltdown to occur was never replaced, that was a big loss for all of us. Unless you like stupid emails every holiday and phone calls at 2am, then whatever.
Number two, many pilots flew stupid junior assignment turns trying to help and then were told later on that it counts against their five. Do the math on the opportunity cost of helping the company on those.
Third and probably a big third, think about the destruction of our pilot-mec unity and what that might cost us. Meeting face to face with the coo at a pool balcony with no direct witnesses did not install trust at a time when trust was the biggest thing needed.
Fourth, the company now thinks we are pushovers and will do anything to help them with no gain for us, we are totally screwed forever. So yes I feel slighted. I also do think people who ***** and moan should indeed apply elsewhere. They are probably the ones who leave the trash bags and unplug the headsets, so good riddance.
#2686
First of all, there is no quid and there never will be. Quid pro quo means "give and take", which is normally how the world works. It wasn't even a take on the companies part, more like us voluntarily fixing an incompetent mess up that was weeks or months coming with multiple warnings. Do we get paid big money to make strategic decisions? No way, we do not and it is not our job to "save the company". Anyone who thought the company was going to "get shutdown" (forever) is blindingly naive and forfeits the right to lead any pilot group.
So how were any pilots negatively affected? Well for one, the incompetent management that allowed the meltdown to occur was never replaced, that was a big loss for all of us. Unless you like stupid emails every holiday and phone calls at 2am, then whatever.
Number two, many pilots flew stupid junior assignment turns trying to help and then were told later on that it counts against their five. Do the math on the opportunity cost of helping the company on those.
Third and probably a big third, think about the destruction of our pilot-mec unity and what that might cost us. Meeting face to face with the coo at a pool balcony with no direct witnesses did not install trust at a time when trust was the biggest thing needed.
Fourth, the company now thinks we are pushovers and will do anything to help them with no gain for us, we are totally screwed forever. So yes I feel slighted. I also do think people who ***** and moan should indeed apply elsewhere. They are probably the ones who leave the trash bags and unplug the headsets, so good riddance.
So how were any pilots negatively affected? Well for one, the incompetent management that allowed the meltdown to occur was never replaced, that was a big loss for all of us. Unless you like stupid emails every holiday and phone calls at 2am, then whatever.
Number two, many pilots flew stupid junior assignment turns trying to help and then were told later on that it counts against their five. Do the math on the opportunity cost of helping the company on those.
Third and probably a big third, think about the destruction of our pilot-mec unity and what that might cost us. Meeting face to face with the coo at a pool balcony with no direct witnesses did not install trust at a time when trust was the biggest thing needed.
Fourth, the company now thinks we are pushovers and will do anything to help them with no gain for us, we are totally screwed forever. So yes I feel slighted. I also do think people who ***** and moan should indeed apply elsewhere. They are probably the ones who leave the trash bags and unplug the headsets, so good riddance.
#2687
If you worked a JA during this time simply call the crew scheduling manager and they will take the JA off your record. JA's during the relief should not have counted against your 5. That should have been communicated better to the pilot group.
#2688
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Joined: Apr 2015
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From: A320 Left
When you can tell me one person who was involuntarily effected by the "quid" then maybe I'll change my mind. But the fact is the the relief was voluntary, and anyone affected did so at their own choice. If Ackerman had not included the option to the pilots I would be with the dissenters. But the fact is everyone had the option to deny anything the violated the contract. They can't complain if they allowed a violation.
All you Internet chest pumpers need to man up and start going to Job fairs. If you say your going to leave, please give it your best effort.
All you Internet chest pumpers need to man up and start going to Job fairs. If you say your going to leave, please give it your best effort.
The qualified people who missed out on CP and instructor jobs because those jobs went to tailkisssers who manned the phones in CS. Is the new FLL CP really the best candidate? or just for example, the one who showed his management bent during the meltdown?
What did you do during the meltdown?
#2689
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 134
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From: A320 Left
First of all, there is no quid and there never will be. Quid pro quo means "give and take", which is normally how the world works. It wasn't even a take on the companies part, more like us voluntarily fixing an incompetent mess up that was weeks or months coming with multiple warnings. Do we get paid big money to make strategic decisions? No way, we do not and it is not our job to "save the company". Anyone who thought the company was going to "get shutdown" (forever) is blindingly naive and forfeits the right to lead any pilot group.
So how were any pilots negatively affected? Well for one, the incompetent management that allowed the meltdown to occur was never replaced, that was a big loss for all of us. Unless you like stupid emails every holiday and phone calls at 2am, then whatever.
Number two, many pilots flew stupid junior assignment turns trying to help and then were told later on that it counts against their five. Do the math on the opportunity cost of helping the company on those.
Third and probably a big third, think about the destruction of our pilot-mec unity and what that might cost us. Meeting face to face with the coo at a pool balcony with no direct witnesses did not install trust at a time when trust was the biggest thing needed.
Fourth, the company now thinks we are pushovers and will do anything to help them with no gain for us, we are totally screwed forever. So yes I feel slighted. I also do think people who ***** and moan should indeed apply elsewhere. They are probably the ones who leave the trash bags and unplug the headsets, so good riddance.
So how were any pilots negatively affected? Well for one, the incompetent management that allowed the meltdown to occur was never replaced, that was a big loss for all of us. Unless you like stupid emails every holiday and phone calls at 2am, then whatever.
Number two, many pilots flew stupid junior assignment turns trying to help and then were told later on that it counts against their five. Do the math on the opportunity cost of helping the company on those.
Third and probably a big third, think about the destruction of our pilot-mec unity and what that might cost us. Meeting face to face with the coo at a pool balcony with no direct witnesses did not install trust at a time when trust was the biggest thing needed.
Fourth, the company now thinks we are pushovers and will do anything to help them with no gain for us, we are totally screwed forever. So yes I feel slighted. I also do think people who ***** and moan should indeed apply elsewhere. They are probably the ones who leave the trash bags and unplug the headsets, so good riddance.
Ditto point 2
Ditto the "big Third" point
Ditto the fourth.
Spot on Sir!
#2690
Despite all the negativity, at least there's 14 hard lines in ACY,
With my luck they'll close the base right after I finish my CA OE.........lol
With my luck they'll close the base right after I finish my CA OE.........lol
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