Spirit of NKS, Part II
#2712
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Our work rules as a whole are nothing earth shattering. Here is my stance on the topic at the bottom of this post.
I really hope everyone here is doing THEIR job 100% as a true professional and not micromanaging the operation. They are not interested in paying you to manage the operation so let the operation speak for itself to show how much we have actually contributed to making this mess work through the years.
I keep hearing guys asking for jetway drivers, fuel, paperwork, 2nd and 3rd calls for mx, negotiating for a gate that is clearly open when told to hold for one that is occupied.
If you called on the ground they know you need rampers and a jetway driver. If they cannot communicate that and get people in position it's not your problem.
If you are there and the plane is there they know you need fuel and paperwork. If it shows up 5 prior it's not your problem.
If you called mx once for an open write up, they are aware.
If there are five gates open and they want you to hold 30mim for the one that is occupied then go ahead and let the clock run.
This operation has been highly dependent on the pilots micromanaging everyone to get the job done. If people are too incompetent to do the job they were hired to do or the systems and infrastructure are not in place to allow them to do their job, it's not our responsibility to get it done and the company clearly is not interested in compensating us for or does not currently understand our value as professionals.
I think too many of us are in the regional/scumbag cargo mindset to just accept shortcomings and get it done. If we want to be compensated like the legacy pilots we need to act like legacy pilots.
Further, the pay/retirement/scope/ltd gap is getting shockingly wide at most longevities. If your gap is 75-100% don't lowball yourself on the survey. You need to be asking for that and not settling for less. It's not greedy, it's fair. It's a crazy number to have to write but it's not crazy because you are asking for something too high, it's crazy because we are compensated so low.
If they want to say we need work rules to match the legacies if we want compensation to match and if they say we need to give up transition conflict then they need to show me they are serious. Offer us the entire United contract word for word with no adjustments or editing and then I know they are serious. We do not have some qol that is worth a $100k concession every year. For most of us our qol could be close to, matched, or better under legacy work rules (AA is an outlier).
Management: offer us the United Pilot Agreement and we can get this done tomorrow I bet. Otherwise you and for that matter the negotiating committee and MEC are not interested in a fair deal for both parties.
I keep hearing guys asking for jetway drivers, fuel, paperwork, 2nd and 3rd calls for mx, negotiating for a gate that is clearly open when told to hold for one that is occupied.
If you called on the ground they know you need rampers and a jetway driver. If they cannot communicate that and get people in position it's not your problem.
If you are there and the plane is there they know you need fuel and paperwork. If it shows up 5 prior it's not your problem.
If you called mx once for an open write up, they are aware.
If there are five gates open and they want you to hold 30mim for the one that is occupied then go ahead and let the clock run.
This operation has been highly dependent on the pilots micromanaging everyone to get the job done. If people are too incompetent to do the job they were hired to do or the systems and infrastructure are not in place to allow them to do their job, it's not our responsibility to get it done and the company clearly is not interested in compensating us for or does not currently understand our value as professionals.
I think too many of us are in the regional/scumbag cargo mindset to just accept shortcomings and get it done. If we want to be compensated like the legacy pilots we need to act like legacy pilots.
Further, the pay/retirement/scope/ltd gap is getting shockingly wide at most longevities. If your gap is 75-100% don't lowball yourself on the survey. You need to be asking for that and not settling for less. It's not greedy, it's fair. It's a crazy number to have to write but it's not crazy because you are asking for something too high, it's crazy because we are compensated so low.
If they want to say we need work rules to match the legacies if we want compensation to match and if they say we need to give up transition conflict then they need to show me they are serious. Offer us the entire United contract word for word with no adjustments or editing and then I know they are serious. We do not have some qol that is worth a $100k concession every year. For most of us our qol could be close to, matched, or better under legacy work rules (AA is an outlier).
Management: offer us the United Pilot Agreement and we can get this done tomorrow I bet. Otherwise you and for that matter the negotiating committee and MEC are not interested in a fair deal for both parties.
#2713
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Perfect they are paying the new guy ($50,000) more than Ben, but gave us those crappy rates.....
Spirit Air's Ousted CEO Walks Away With $1 Million and Free Flights for Life ? Skift
Spirit Air's Ousted CEO Walks Away With $1 Million and Free Flights for Life ? Skift
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In the world of CEO salary it didn't seem too crazy to me. How much free stock did he get is the question. Ben got free flights for life haha. I doubt we will ever see him on a spirit plane again
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If our CEO's can make more than SWA's Gary Kelly, our rates should be at least equal to SWA.
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Once you get the bid package or manual on the safari browser you can then use normal iPad procedures to print the document or open in a PDF reader, etc...
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Company and N/C meeting on the 14th.
I bet "significant progress will be made however a large disagreement will remain when it comes to things like, pay, retirement, conflict etc........"
Also, for anyone that's been reading how new hires have been failing etc, Maybe, just maybe the company shouldn't be pushing for guys who've never flown a 121 airliner to teach all the way up to right before FFS#1. Moose Jaw is a great guy but he has no business teaching FTDs
I bet "significant progress will be made however a large disagreement will remain when it comes to things like, pay, retirement, conflict etc........"
Also, for anyone that's been reading how new hires have been failing etc, Maybe, just maybe the company shouldn't be pushing for guys who've never flown a 121 airliner to teach all the way up to right before FFS#1. Moose Jaw is a great guy but he has no business teaching FTDs
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Company and N/C meeting on the 14th.
I bet "significant progress will be made however a large disagreement will remain when it comes to things like, pay, retirement, conflict etc........"
Also, for anyone that's been reading how new hires have been failing etc, Maybe, just maybe the company shouldn't be pushing for guys who've never flown a 121 airliner to teach all the way up to right before FFS#1. Moose Jaw is a great guy but he has no business teaching FTDs
I bet "significant progress will be made however a large disagreement will remain when it comes to things like, pay, retirement, conflict etc........"
Also, for anyone that's been reading how new hires have been failing etc, Maybe, just maybe the company shouldn't be pushing for guys who've never flown a 121 airliner to teach all the way up to right before FFS#1. Moose Jaw is a great guy but he has no business teaching FTDs
How many days will they be meeting to make said significant progress?
Parity for all or it isn't parity at all
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There is apparently a grievance filed over using the ground instructors for "flight instriction". The company is defining flight instruction differently than Alpa. Why the MEC hasn't communicated this to the group is beyond me.
The meeting on the 14th is said to be to set the course for negotiations going forward. I did not understand it to be a meeting to actually negotiate anything. It's essentially a meeting about a meeting.
Have you seen my stapler?
The meeting on the 14th is said to be to set the course for negotiations going forward. I did not understand it to be a meeting to actually negotiate anything. It's essentially a meeting about a meeting.
Have you seen my stapler?
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