Spirit of NKS, Part II
#5001
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Posts: 156
A release could happen just not soon.
Our leverage is that we are not easily replaceable unskilled labor like the flight attendants and it costs a lot more to hire and train one of us that leaves while also trying to recruit and train pilots already planned for the growth.
They will always have girls beating down the door to be flight attendants that then quit within a year after they figure out what it actually pays and what the job is. No problem because they didn't lose money on that person and there is a new one waiting to take her place tomorrow.
They don't have that luxury with us and our leverage grows as time goes on. Also, if our negotiators do their job and not settle for something lack luster it would be pretty hard for the national mediation board not side with us eventually if the company is just simply not willing to meet our ask. The industry supports it and spirit can afford to pay it. They just don't want to until they have to. As long as guys aren't leaving, guys are showing up to class, we keep doing everyone's job, we keep covering uncovered trips on our days off, and the company has not yet had any pressure from the NMB to deal, then yes you're right our leverage is minimal.
We have control over 3/4 of those factors.
Our leverage is that we are not easily replaceable unskilled labor like the flight attendants and it costs a lot more to hire and train one of us that leaves while also trying to recruit and train pilots already planned for the growth.
They will always have girls beating down the door to be flight attendants that then quit within a year after they figure out what it actually pays and what the job is. No problem because they didn't lose money on that person and there is a new one waiting to take her place tomorrow.
They don't have that luxury with us and our leverage grows as time goes on. Also, if our negotiators do their job and not settle for something lack luster it would be pretty hard for the national mediation board not side with us eventually if the company is just simply not willing to meet our ask. The industry supports it and spirit can afford to pay it. They just don't want to until they have to. As long as guys aren't leaving, guys are showing up to class, we keep doing everyone's job, we keep covering uncovered trips on our days off, and the company has not yet had any pressure from the NMB to deal, then yes you're right our leverage is minimal.
We have control over 3/4 of those factors.
Sorry for the long post.
#5002
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Every Airbus operator in this country is our peer. Every single one is negotiating except for Frontier who is on a bankruptcy contract, and Ual and AA that both have 3 years left on their contracts. Those are the only current benchmarks available.
#5003
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A320 Right
Posts: 378
If DL gets their raise a 5 year CA on the 320 will be at $277 hr!!!!
Makes our $136 rate a double slap in the face!!
Where is our NC? Why don't you guys tell us what's the plan here? What are you asking for?
Makes our $136 rate a double slap in the face!!
Where is our NC? Why don't you guys tell us what's the plan here? What are you asking for?
#5004
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 49
I for one am happy our NC is not on a public forum negotiating.
#5005
You guys are seriously deluding yourselves if you think a mediator is going to consider Spirit a peer of United, Delta or American. I hate to say it, because flying an Airbus is flying an Airbus, but we're gonna get a mediator that compares us to jetblue, virgin, southwest and frontier.
#5006
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 333
You guys are seriously deluding yourselves if you think a mediator is going to consider Spirit a peer of United, Delta or American. I hate to say it, because flying an Airbus is flying an Airbus, but we're gonna get a mediator that compares us to jetblue, virgin, southwest and frontier.
#5007
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A320 Right
Posts: 378
I'm not suggesting they negotiate on a public forum. I'm not even suggesting they update us on a weekly or monthly basis. But how about you tell us what you're asking for?
Just tell us please that your asking for current (soon to be old) united rates. Tell us if you're asking for a DC and a 401k match north of 12%.
Or should they burn 3 more years of our time only to find they started with JB rates and a 10% 401k match.
Just tell us please that your asking for current (soon to be old) united rates. Tell us if you're asking for a DC and a 401k match north of 12%.
Or should they burn 3 more years of our time only to find they started with JB rates and a 10% 401k match.
#5009
Because we're wusslings that have been made to believe we are worth less then others like an abused spouse.
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