Originally Posted by VegassBus

Hope everyone is paying attention to AS/VA potential merger. Looks like their is a good chance of some serious Whipsawing.


SCOPE & SLOPE! Better fix em!

Originally Posted by Hugedouche

Please explain, this looks like a buy out of a small "Virgin" company by a much more established deeply entrenched company!? There will be ZERO whipsaw, they will sublease the planes and either furlough all the pilots or by law be placed on the pilot seniority list.

Please stop trying to scare people, we actually have laws in place now that protect pilots

Originally Posted by Lobaeux

Easy to complain when you've never been shot at, spent six months living with your crew in a tent in the desert or stuffed in a box, punched in the stomach and fed grasshoppers while in training.

Your argument about having to have been in a regional to enjoy your job, understand your job or how management acts is as irrelevant as mine.

I came here knowing full well what was in the contract, what I would be paid and what quality of life factors were inherent in accepting a position at Spirit. I knew full well a contract could remain amendable for years, I made the decision and will be an adult about it. My happiness and enjoyment I derive from this job is NOT contingent on when we get a new contract.

I am 100% positive no one from Spirit management FORCED any pilot to accept a seat in class as a newhire, we came here willingly. And I don't remember signing any piece of paper that forces me or anyone else to stay.

Originally Posted by Hugedouche

Please explain, this looks like a buy out of a small "Virgin" company by a much more established deeply entrenched company!? There will be ZERO whipsaw, they will sublease the planes and either furlough all the pilots or by law be placed on the pilot seniority list.

Please stop trying to scare people, we actually have laws in place now that protect pilots

Originally Posted by full of luv

Douche,
It looks like ALK is going to become one single operating certificate as you described by 2018, but it was not out of the realm of possibilities that Alaska Air Group could have just as well decided to run two separate companies if they so chose.
Without scope you are up to the whim of mgmts pocketbook decision. In this case it looks like mgmt decided to fold VA up into AK. Could also have been that Virgin didn't want to sell it's name to a controlling company so that was required as part of any deal to divest of the Virgin moniker.

Originally Posted by Hugedouche

http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/164186/Aviation/Seniority+Integration+And+The+MccaskillBond+Statut e

So effectively you are saying none of this applies?

Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin

You don't get it do you. If they were kept separate, no. You can have 2 or more airlines owned by a holding company and not integrate lists. Since they are merging certificates a SLI will have to happen. But it only states they cannot be stapled. If the VA guys agree (not that they would) to a 1000 to 1 integration it's perfectly legal.

A perfect example is Gojet, Trans States and Compass. All under one holding company, all different lists. Compass was bought but Gojet was started to circumvent Trans States contract.

Originally Posted by Hugedouche

So how many holdings companies are still in play other than regionals? When I say in play I mean ones that would be possible merger candidates, I will save you from looking it up, One is the answer.

One that will have alpa on property soon and one that is not a regional, and one that it makes the absolute most sense to not keep two different operations going.

Why do you think Bendo give two ****s about giving us industry leading scope, because it means crap with the players that would be likely suitors.