agreed!!! Lets up the pressure

 

ALPA national has more than a few well compensated attorneys that have looked at this six ways from Sunday. They have a plan. If there was a way to leverage the company, it would have been implemented already. The process is slow. The only thing that you can do is show up to work as usual and trust ALPA.

 

It's also a big assumption that your sample statement would be considered legal. We are dealing with a company that wants to drag this out as long as possible, and a mediator that is only there to make sure both sides are playing by the rules - however slanted in the company's favor those rules are. Right now, our NC can show several times that we have gone above and beyond to work with the company, and can show blatant continuing violations of the CBA and non-compliance with arbitrators' rulings. Why give the company anything, like a big gray-area statement, to allow the company to deflect from our points?


Well, last time the company completely disrespected the mediator and that helped get us released.

It probably won't work, and it may hurt. Sometimes doing nothing is the best course of action. Not a pilot like attitude? We're not flying a plane. Do you use a pilot-like attitude when you negotiate on a new car or a house?


Joe six-pack averages 55K per year. The company says "These guys make $185 per hour (I know, top of the scale isn't a fair representation of wages but that's what they will say) and that's not enough for them, they are jacking up your ticket price." Beside, these guys sleep half the time anyway. I know I always feel bad for MLB players when they go on strike.

 

Exactly.

If a labor attorney walked up into your flight deck and said "Hey, I am not a pilot, can I fly the Airbus," we would say "get out of here and enjoy your non reclining seat.

So its humorous to read pilots wanting to say what the best course of action is in mediation. Made even more humorous with the fact that none of us or on the inside of whats going on.

We pay dues and joined a national union to let them direct the heavy lifting and rely on their expertise. Let them direct this ship just as passengers allow us to direct ours.

Thankfully the MEC can give F-all about what the vocal minority feels. Billboards...haha....try asking a passenger if they feel bad that our CAs only make $150k and a United CA makes $250k...im sure they will shed a tear for all of us. Many of our passengers second option to travel over Spirit is a bus or their own vehicle, its all they can afford.

 

When planes stop moving management will start.

I'm not talking about illegal job actions.


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How about a billboard in FLL, ORD, etc that shows what percent our salary is compared to our peers at United, Delta, American, Southwest, Alaska, Jetblue, etc. Not illegal, just facts.



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I think anything would be good but I really don't think our passengers care. I am not sure how Southwest got to picket, it seemed to get a lot of FREE media coverage. I would be willing to spend some time doing that, it shows unity.

 

I really think passengers don't care and we end up looking like cray babies. Until
Planes stop moving nothing will happen.


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I agree. But you have to start somewhere to put pressure on. We are a long way off from release, strike vote, etc. Delta is looking for a, what, 30% increase doing informational picketing. We are trying to get a "path to parity" to what they have now...ish. Southwest is doing informational picketing. We held signs in an abandoned hallway that only the "money men" could see. It is a start, but I think more should be done, and when the public, who already thinks they are flying a po-dunk airline when they see our ticket prices sees that the people most responsible for their lives are doing so at 50% of what their peers make at a "real airline" it doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence. It will put pressure on and make people think twice that another strike may be in the works.

 

These same "people" you refer to will put pressure on management when they find out we're below (by 50%) our peers? These same "people" that still ask where H8 is when they are standing in front of H6 and still can't believe we charge for luggage and water? They barely can think for themselves within a 10 mile radius of an airport let alone thinking twice about an idea of a strike. That is blind faith and I highly doubt the general public actually cares or even wants to know. They only care about how cheap their ticket is, and if they can slide by the gate agent without paying for their carry-on. Barring a complete necessity for management to concede and get the remaining sections TA'd, the last minute of the last hour of the last day in a 30 day cooling off period will we see any movement on a CBA.