Spirit of NKS, Part II
09-05-2016 | 10:51 AM
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Spirit management knows exactly how many folks aren't standing for it anymore... They're the ones who accept their legacy interview offer and switch employers during their first year or two.
Spirit management's answer to those numbers is to announce to their investors that "juniority" is a CASM tailwind. They're counting on folks quitting as soon as their experience rises enough for them to be attractive hires at a legacy. Changing that approach to pilot retention amounts to a major change in their business model and any changes removing this "tailwind" wil have to be explained to the investors, since the current situation is being expressed as a positive factor in the business model.
Dealing with *****ing pilots and employee churn may be easier than explaining to the major investors why a new contract throws out a core part of a successful business model. I can't imagine anyone on the ops or training sides of the management house being happy about this since they're the ones who have to deal with the consequences, but they're not in charge and they ARE required to support their boss.
Regardless, nobody should fool themselves about why there is no contract. Low pay and employees jumping ship as soon as they get experience is part of the business model, just read the investor slides yourself.
Spirit management's answer to those numbers is to announce to their investors that "juniority" is a CASM tailwind. They're counting on folks quitting as soon as their experience rises enough for them to be attractive hires at a legacy. Changing that approach to pilot retention amounts to a major change in their business model and any changes removing this "tailwind" wil have to be explained to the investors, since the current situation is being expressed as a positive factor in the business model.
Dealing with *****ing pilots and employee churn may be easier than explaining to the major investors why a new contract throws out a core part of a successful business model. I can't imagine anyone on the ops or training sides of the management house being happy about this since they're the ones who have to deal with the consequences, but they're not in charge and they ARE required to support their boss.
Regardless, nobody should fool themselves about why there is no contract. Low pay and employees jumping ship as soon as they get experience is part of the business model, just read the investor slides yourself.
09-05-2016 | 11:01 AM
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That was a huge missed opportunity. I don't think anyone would disagree. However it is easy to play Monday morning quarterback. At the time (I wasn't here) I believe our new contract was industry leading in pay aside from southwest. Correct me if I'm wrong. I have a hard time calling them incompetent because of that. Anyways I'm a "bird in the hand is better than two in the bush" kinda guy. perhaps that was their thought process. You'd have to ask them.
09-05-2016 | 02:10 PM
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James really did the right thing with our quid! He gave up the ship when the company cried wolf. Is he that naive or that ignorant? He led us down the garden path for over a year. That was wasted time. The most disturbing thing is that he actually thought we were near an agreement.
09-05-2016 | 03:07 PM
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Spirit management knows exactly how many folks aren't standing for it anymore... They're the ones who accept their legacy interview offer and switch employers during their first year or two.
Spirit management's answer to those numbers is to announce to their investors that "juniority" is a CASM tailwind. They're counting on folks quitting as soon as their experience rises enough for them to be attractive hires at a legacy. Changing that approach to pilot retention amounts to a major change in their business model and any changes removing this "tailwind" wil have to be explained to the investors, since the current situation is being expressed as a positive factor in the business model.
Dealing with *****ing pilots and employee churn may be easier than explaining to the major investors why a new contract throws out a core part of a successful business model. I can't imagine anyone on the ops or training sides of the management house being happy about this since they're the ones who have to deal with the consequences, but they're not in charge and they ARE required to support their boss.
Regardless, nobody should fool themselves about why there is no contract. Low pay and employees jumping ship as soon as they get experience is part of the business model, just read the investor slides yourself.
Spirit management's answer to those numbers is to announce to their investors that "juniority" is a CASM tailwind. They're counting on folks quitting as soon as their experience rises enough for them to be attractive hires at a legacy. Changing that approach to pilot retention amounts to a major change in their business model and any changes removing this "tailwind" wil have to be explained to the investors, since the current situation is being expressed as a positive factor in the business model.
Dealing with *****ing pilots and employee churn may be easier than explaining to the major investors why a new contract throws out a core part of a successful business model. I can't imagine anyone on the ops or training sides of the management house being happy about this since they're the ones who have to deal with the consequences, but they're not in charge and they ARE required to support their boss.
Regardless, nobody should fool themselves about why there is no contract. Low pay and employees jumping ship as soon as they get experience is part of the business model, just read the investor slides yourself.
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09-05-2016 | 03:55 PM
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Didn't know that. I guess the point I was trying to make is that our contract didn't suck compared to what others were getting paid when we signed it. It only starting sucking when everyone else got newer better contracts.
09-05-2016 | 03:58 PM
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Well contrary to what world you are living in, it is still a negotiation process even when you are on strike. The stakes are just higher.
09-05-2016 | 06:58 PM
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Exactly. He volunteered his services because DFW knows having anything attached to names of people like MN, MD or GA is too toxic for this entire group to get behind. Think about it. The creator of this petition is the last person to sign the DFW4LEC petition. Audi was one of the first to comment on the retro pay demand and is the one on here with his other DFW goons trying to shut down anyone who doesn't agree with the petition.
So, they have someone like MH put this out there to box the negotiators into a corner where they can't win, and then they'll get what they ultimately want. A full recall of the NC and the MEC and be able to be back in power. Much like the sorry time almost a decade ago we threw our weight behind MN, only to watch him quit on us to the point where we almost had to go into receivership with ALPA. Does this group really think this is a good time to be pulling these games? It's too late and we are too deep into the process now.
So, they have someone like MH put this out there to box the negotiators into a corner where they can't win, and then they'll get what they ultimately want. A full recall of the NC and the MEC and be able to be back in power. Much like the sorry time almost a decade ago we threw our weight behind MN, only to watch him quit on us to the point where we almost had to go into receivership with ALPA. Does this group really think this is a good time to be pulling these games? It's too late and we are too deep into the process now.
But I like the Retro Pay Petition. It's a great rallying cry. I don't think is carries any weight or obligation onto the NC, other than to show them we are behind them, and how displeased we are with managements tactics.
09-06-2016 | 05:11 AM
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This is true, it is too late and too deep in. If the DFW-LEC hopefuls have the entire pilot groups best interest in mind, they will withhold their little quest for now. I gotta admit, I didn't think it was a bad idea when it came up, mainly due to the misadventures of JA. But not now, bad timing.
But I like the Retro Pay Petition. It's a great rallying cry. I don't think is carries any weight or obligation onto the NC, other than to show them we are behind them, and how displeased we are with managements tactics.
But I like the Retro Pay Petition. It's a great rallying cry. I don't think is carries any weight or obligation onto the NC, other than to show them we are behind them, and how displeased we are with managements tactics.
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