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07-09-2022 | 09:36 AM
#462
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From: 777 CA
So we expect a 10% operating margin. If we end up with a 9.9% operating margin, it doesn’t count as one of the 4 quarters we need to get the 5% raise??
So when might we actually get that 5% raise? We have had zero profitable quarters so far. So the earliest would be late April 2023. But realistically, we aren’t going to hit 10% profit margin in several upcoming quarters, especially 4Q22 and 1Q23. I’m thinking it could be late January 2024 (or later) before we even see this 5% raise.
Bird in hand…
So when might we actually get that 5% raise? We have had zero profitable quarters so far. So the earliest would be late April 2023. But realistically, we aren’t going to hit 10% profit margin in several upcoming quarters, especially 4Q22 and 1Q23. I’m thinking it could be late January 2024 (or later) before we even see this 5% raise.
Bird in hand…
It’s an average over 4 qtrs. 10% or 9.9% means nothing other than it raises the overall average for the 12 month period thereby making it easier to hit the magic 5% number.
The bird is already in our hand without gutting our contract QOWL with this concessionary TA.
Last edited by UALinIAH; 07-09-2022 at 09:47 AM.
07-09-2022 | 09:51 AM
#464
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It’s an average over 4 qtrs. Hell if we have 2 qtrs with a loss and 2 with 10% plus it could be as early as after Q3 or Q4. 10% or 9.9% means nothing other than it raises the overall average for the 12 month period thereby making it easier to hit the magic 5% number.
The bird is already in our hand without gutting our contract QOWL with this concessionary TA.
The bird is already in our hand without gutting our contract QOWL with this concessionary TA.
Pest
07-09-2022 | 09:51 AM
#465
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Joined: Jun 2022
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Or better yet, get rid of seniority all together. The best pilots go to the best carriers. If your carrier gets worse over time, change carriers without going to bottom of some arbitrary list. Current airline suddenly closes your base? Leave for an airline where you can live in base. Have one pay rate for FO’s and one rate for captains regardless of YOS. Get rid of seniority and we can be like almost every other profession in terms of mobility.
I see why you support it..
07-09-2022 | 10:09 AM
#466
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From: 787 Captain
07-09-2022 | 10:10 AM
#467
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Joined: Aug 2021
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I guess I have to blame the negotiators for allowing him to think this is what we want. (If he really felt like he could get everything in this contract & keep us invested in the product, he’d be crazy not to take it.)
In reality, this TA is going to get him what he pays for- cheap labor. That means pilots who feel disgruntled & undervalued, & end up not caring about the product. It’s the opposite of everything he claims he wants.
In reality, this TA is going to get him what he pays for- cheap labor. That means pilots who feel disgruntled & undervalued, & end up not caring about the product. It’s the opposite of everything he claims he wants.
This "offer" from the company tell's me all I need to know about how United values my contributions to the bottom line. The % increases in pay are a joke. The gutting of our scheduling section is insulting. The suggestion that we allow them to avoid the "choke" we created on scope is unacceptable. For those who may have already voted for this horror, please go back and change your vote to NO.
A loud and overwhelming "NO" vote will get us a much better deal than what has been presented.
Pest
07-09-2022 | 10:27 AM
#468
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Both my pension and my ESOP are gone. Where is the annuity or modified pension that was sold as possibilities during polling?
This TA needs to be flushed with a resounding "NO" vote. They will come back with better - they don't have a choice.
Vote NO - and if you didn't, go back and change your vote now.
Pest
07-09-2022 | 10:31 AM
#469
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Joined: Jun 2012
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No Vote% = Leverage
This should go without saying..
A 90% No - 10% Yes will carry us much further and faster than a
55% No - 45%Yes vote..
I believe that management already has a plan B and a plan C ready to go…
I think this TA will get voted down but our leverage with management and even within our own union will be heavily dependent on the split…
Bottom line VOTE.. even if you think you know the outcome …
A resounding No vote probably makes WSJ headlines… a close vote probably doesn’t even get a mention.
A 90% No - 10% Yes will carry us much further and faster than a
55% No - 45%Yes vote..
I believe that management already has a plan B and a plan C ready to go…
I think this TA will get voted down but our leverage with management and even within our own union will be heavily dependent on the split…
Bottom line VOTE.. even if you think you know the outcome …
A resounding No vote probably makes WSJ headlines… a close vote probably doesn’t even get a mention.
07-09-2022 | 10:43 AM
#470
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 194
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This should go without saying..
A 90% No - 10% Yes will carry us much further and faster than a
55% No - 45%Yes vote..
I believe that management already has a plan B and a plan C ready to go…
I think this TA will get voted down but our leverage with management and even within our own union will be heavily dependent on the split…
Bottom line VOTE.. even if you think you know the outcome …
A 90% No - 10% Yes will carry us much further and faster than a
55% No - 45%Yes vote..
I believe that management already has a plan B and a plan C ready to go…
I think this TA will get voted down but our leverage with management and even within our own union will be heavily dependent on the split…
Bottom line VOTE.. even if you think you know the outcome …
