^^^THIS^^^

 

Yep.........

 

The premise that the 76-400 pilots are junior is false.

 

Is the junior 767 CA in any base able to hold 777 CA in any single base? No.

The 767 is junior.

It’s pure luck of the draw who gets the 767-400 pay. Don’t think so? Ask the IAH CAs who used to fly it. Or the IAD pilots. Or the EWR pilots when it was moved to IAD for the short time. People shouldn’t have the pay disrupted at the whims of those in marketing.

 

Airline pilot-I can’t believe the 787 and the B767-300 don’t pay the same rate. Same mission. Both seem to take the same/similar loads on similar(often identical) routes, and they seem to be doing the global mission.

Airline pilot- I can’t believe a domestic 737-900 is paying the same rate as a global wide body 767-300.

 

Huh?

So you want to take money from junior pilots and give it to senior pilots?

Obviously, negotiating in public is a no-no. However, this isn't negotiating in public. The pie is going to be as big as our NC can make it. All pay rates (banded or unbanded) do is decide out how we divide it up.

 

Hello Captain Obvious. I guess you don't understand the concept of seniority.

Some previous poster stated that the B767-400 is a junior airplane. That is patently untrue!

Looking at December bid awards for EWR shows that the top 25% of the base bid 767-400 trips. Every single one of them can hold 777 Captain anywhere in the system. I would assume that at any 756 base where the -400 is deployed a similar situation would exist.

And for those who think that putting the 76-400 in the WB pay category leads to lower pay in the other widebody planes, the evidence is simply not there. Pattern bargaining across the industry is what determines those rates. Look at American, Delta and United rates for WB CA and they don't differ by more than a couple of dollars. The inclusion of the 76-400 in those rates makes no difference whatsoever.

 

Sigh, again, the 787 is an ULH widebody aircraft. It should pay more than a 5600nm range plane. It’s absolutely NOT the same mission. Can the 787 do both, yes. It’s flying the same routes as the 777 and what the 747 used to fly. Try flying SFO-SGN on a 767.
I agree on the 737 and 767. 75/76 should be a larger premium over the Guppy.

 

Can the senior 767 (for that matter A320 or 737) CAs in every base hold a line on the 777... yes. I get your point, the 777/787 are senior, but before the 764 was moved bounced back and forth between domiciles, there were a significant number of very senior pilots who flew it almost exclusively.

So when the company moves the 777 out of a base and replaces the same flying with a 787, that by strict adherence to a weight formula pays less, wouldn't we be subject to the same problem?

 

Sigh! It does pay more by virtue of flight time.