Nope.

Under the current UAL PS plan it only applies to FULL YEAR employment. Start on Jan 2 and you get NOTHING.

(This is true for all employee groups, FWIW.)

 

Don't know. You tell me. I just know that Delta pays PS to new hires on the basis of W2. United doesn't. It's not IRS regulations as was proffered before.
So new hires,the lowest guys on the totem pole, on probationary pay, flying the line, generating profits.....are deemed unworthy? Someone negotiated the contract that way and someone ratified it. Maybe it needs changing, maybe not.
Like I said, if a newb bases his decision on where to go on this(or they deem it significant) I'd rather they not apply at my airline

BTW, what would u call it if you don't like "eat their young"
.......illogical....egregious... better for the other guys...."pay your dues" ....appropriate when taken in toto...reasonable.... ???? Justify it by saying "Well, I'll buy them a pop on the layover" IDK just curious

 

New hires now have it better than ever. I made $28 a hour as a new hire and had to pay for my own hotel room until I finished Indoc and Initial Training. If its so much better at Delta, go there (oh and Delta DOESN’T pay for a hotel for new hires, you are on your own)

We have 2 month 777 FOs and kids are complaining about no profit sharing, when 7 years ago we had Airbus FOs on reserve who had been here 14 years.

Its not ALPA negotiated, but a company policy, so its all employee groups, not just because ALPA is screwing you.

I’m really getting tired of the over-entitled millennials.

 

Triggered much? You make a lot of misguided ASSumptions. I also gave a laundry list of possible terms to pick. Try picking one and justify it with something other than "I had to walk 6 miles to school, in the snow, uphill both ways"

 

Believe what you like use eat their young if you like but in my years I have seen the new hire years get much better and at the moment pretty good. The profit sharing sorry didn't know how it was set up, dumb me. When I read what you write I wish DAL gave you an offer. I don't know how long you have been here or where you came from but I can tell you there has been a lot of hard fought battles here and I assume at the moment you are benefiting from some of those battle and negotiations. Again JMO, throw it out if you like.

 

Triggered much? You make a lot of misguided ASSumptions. I also gave a laundry list of possible terms to pick. Try picking one and justify it with something other than "I had to walk 6 miles to school, in the snow, uphill both ways"

It may not be ALPA negotiated, but it can be...its not against IRS rules, which is what was originally floated here

Personally, I think they should get hotel paid for, per diem, AND profit sharing based off W2. Seems like the right thing to do. Might doesnt always make right. Delta out to do the same thing

 

Thanks, been somewhere for over 30 years, so I do understand a little bit about the profession. Just because I "had it bad" doesnt make it a right of initiation or the right thing to do. In this case maybe so, maybe not. Just trying to put so info out. On our forum they like to cherry pick too...a lot of talk about UAL hoteps paid for, higher probationary pay etc etc. To me it's the total package

A suggestion might be...dont jump to conclusions...evaluate a "suggestion" based on the merits and "what seems most "right". I'll go back to "my" forum and leave you guys alone
Deuces

 

Sorry you don't think the total package for a new hire is that good and maybe something will be done about profit sharing this time, but I can't help but disagree with you. But hey no worries, it's a forum, put out whatever you like. No worries here.

 

I would imagine two pilots hired on January 1 at UAL and DAL would probably have very similar W2 when you include the profit sharing the DAL guy would get a few weeks into the second year. UAL pays more the first 7-12 weeks you are on property plus zero out of pocket expenses (it’s a pay cut when you get out training at UAL). DAL gives you profit sharing 14 months after you get hired....but at the end of the day I am willing to bet the total compensation is with in 1% when you include the profit sharing check into first year DAL guys total compensation.

 

Maybe, but I dont think so for a jan 1 hire. At Delta 1st year pay is almost 92$ hr...let's say nominally 80K/year. This year or last year PS 16 % plus 16 % DC equals about $15,000 ....that's some pretty expensive lodging to make them comparable (with in 1%)

Think some of you are taking me wrong. I'm looking for good things to pattern bargain off of to raise all boats. I want Delta to match UAL vacation accrual, get Fed Ex vacation pay per day and other things re training pay etc that propels the profession forward. The mantra of "it's way better than what I had " is shooting inside the circle. The majors are now an oligopoly. As such, to a great extent all costs will be pattern bargained up...then management will pass the increased cost along in higher ticket prices.....just like they do fuel costs.

I never said the new hire pay was bad or insinuated anything like it. Way better at both UAL and Delta than what I had....but pay for all pilots is way better now too....doesn't keep me from wanting more and better for all

Seems to me an enlightened management would want to include all personnel(especially pilots who the vast majority make this their last career choice) in the PS so they feel included and a valued team member

Just my .02 cents