elmetal

The flying is already outsourced. as to WHO is doing the outsourced flying is completely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is the more you allow it to leave, the less control you have.


To outsource flying via regionals/scope, and then have the audacity to want to blame the RJ pilots who are flying it, is absolutely ridiculous.

Those RJ pilots want nothing more than to be at mainline. Do you think people enjoy doing more work for 1/4 of the money? The more flying you "give away" the longer people will spend at regionals.


You sound like the type of cat who wants UAL pilots above UAX on UAX flights. You gave the flying away, and everything that goes with it. Can't have your cake and eat it too, sorry.

Sunvox

Time and again I find the internet and short posts end up creating the wrong message. I was not implying all Zoomies would agree; in fact I believe a person with a 20 year career leading men around the world in difficult situations is completely entitled to hold and voice opinions, and I respect him immensely for being willing to voice his opinion and discuss the issue without becoming hysterical. I welcome the experience and thoughtfulness that retired miltary pilots bring to the cockpit. In my limited experience as a captain, I wold much rather have an experienced 48 year old that is unphased by lightening, speed limit excesses, or frivilous ECAM's versus an overly nervous 28 year old that feels a need to file an FSAP for every missed radio call.

I honestly thought no pilot anywhere could support easing Scope so this caught me a bit by surprise, and that was what prompted me to post. I did not mean to denigrate Zoomies.

John Carr

It seems as if the OP referenced a SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL, and not an entire group/wasn’t painting with a broad brush.

And if he flew an entire trip with him, probably heard it more than once.

You want to see paining with a broad brush? What this.....

“You know how you know you’re flying with a “zoomie”? They’ll tell you, REPEATEDLY”

ChrisJT6

Great info. Our exchange had little to do with why the flying was outsourced.
It was to summarize about a poor generalization about military guys and a whine about how helpless RJ guys that have been “whipsawed” are not responsible for there poor contracts and participating in the circle of screw of their fellow RJ pilots...I call bull on who needs to look in the labor mirror.
As for all that other stuff you pulled out...you might check your chip light. You sound like the type CAT that causes United to spend loads of cash (LEAP) so the rest of could figure out how to deal this new generation.

elmetal

Don't backpedal, you blamed the RJ pilots for undercutting each other, as if that somehow has any effect on the flying not coming back to mainline. stop kidding yourself

ChrisJT6

Zero back pedal. I do blame RJ pilots for screwing each other for the third time. You are clueless if you think continually giving RJ and mainline Mgmts a continued refresh of a low bidder carrier has no effect on your plight.

elmetal

So you think when one regional says no to a ****ty contract that the flying doesn't then get sent to another ****ty regional?

Have you been following the American wholly owned charade? Or maybe you are more following the UAX charade, guess what, the flying got all taken from XJT (good contract) and given to TSA/Mesa/Republic/Skywest.

That's how it works in the regional industry, you take the garbage or you lose the flying, PERIOD. The only way to get the flying back from regionals is through your CBA, not hoping and praying that everyone will say no in the regionals. Because if they do, guess what happens? Remember when TSA said no to a garbage contract in exchange for crj700s? Yeah they literally created a new airline, GoJet.


NOTHING will change unless it is from the top. Stop blaming the pilots that are in the mess YOU (categorical legacy you, not you personally) created.

John Carr

This thread is covering a lot of good ground;

From ignorant new hire that needs to be schooled on scope, to mil vs civ, to the chicken-egg/blame the regionals-blame the legacies for scope give.

Well done everyone, scotch all around.

Broncofan

Generally I like flying with mil guys. They are straight forward and usually not off the spectrum. However I tend to agree with the ring statement, has nothing to do with the ring itself, that's fine. But generally the types of guys that wear the ring are just a little off.

APC225

I flew with a guy with the top two buttons unbuttoned, gold medallion nestled in his chest hair and when the “stu” brought the coffee up it was, “darlin’ why don’t you do me a favor and stick your finger in my coffee to sweeten it a bit.”

There are all kinds.